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Old 05-14-2019, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Thank you for the info about the riding platform, which may have been available in the 15-minute video, but not mentioned by the OP.


Riding horses still have to be "broken" and so do hunting dogs.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:52 PM
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No, I would not do that. I think it's exploitation of animals and it's not necessary. I can have a good time on a trip without riding an elephant.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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No, I would not do that. I think it's exploitation of animals and it's not necessary. I can have a good time on a trip without riding an elephant.

You can definitely have a good time without riding a Camel. Riding a camel is the antithesis of having a good time.
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Tucson Arizona
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Amazing Race just visited Thailand and racers rode elephants. There were no wooden platforms, just a single rider on the elephant's neck. Nobody appeared to be using goads of any kind, not even the guy whose elephant wouldn't move.

From reading this thread, that sounds like a non-abusive way for the elephants to earn their keep.

I assume some people do abuse and overwork elephants, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

BTW, is it ethical to own a picture painted by an elephant, or is that abuse, too?
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Amazing Race just visited Thailand and racers rode elephants. There were no wooden platforms, just a single rider on the elephant's neck. Nobody appeared to be using goads of any kind, not even the guy whose elephant wouldn't move.

From reading this thread, that sounds like a non-abusive way for the elephants to earn their keep.

I assume some people do abuse and overwork elephants, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

BTW, is it ethical to own a picture painted by an elephant, or is that abuse, too?
The amazing race use of elephants hasn't gone unnoticed, I found more than a few articles on of complaint in a google search:
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/368/283/798/

The abuse isn't really in riding them, but in breaking them so that they are tame enough to be gentle around tourist. Actually they don't call it breaking, they call it "crushing". This is not like breaking a horse who are mostly bred as somewhat domesticated animals and often begins it's training by imprinting at a very young age with humans, these are wild animals - often poached in neighboring countries, parents are killed, ivory taken, and babies captured, sold to these tourist centers. They use physical punishment to crush them.

Elephant painting, if they are doing it as part of a tourist show it's likely the elephants have also been abused in order to goad them to "perform":
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elephant-painting/

"Other critics contend that not only is the elephant painting phenomenon a misleading show put on to garner money from tourists, but that the animals who participate in it have been abused; therefore, visitors to Thailand should shun the purchase of such works..."
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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How are we going to continue psych research, if it is cruel to chickens to withhold the corn kernel when they peck the wrong button?
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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I rode an elephant once back in 2003 when I was in Thailand but haven’t since.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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How are we going to continue psych research, if it is cruel to chickens to withhold the corn kernel when they peck the wrong button?
I don't get your analogy at all, unless you are posting in a wrong thread then intended.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida
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.... here ya go..... just in from National Geographic

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...id=12917024995
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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.... here ya go..... just in from National Geographic

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...id=12917024995

Most of us don't click blind links without a hint what it's going to.
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