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Old 05-17-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Wow I knew of oppression. I thought it had maybe gotten better since allowing them to drive.

Are Americans subject to the same laws if they were to visit?
Here’s an example. A member of the US Air Force was accused of theft in Saudi Arabia. The best the US government could do for him was negotiate his punishment down to having his hand surgically removed while under anesthesia. The word of a Saudi citizen is always taken over foreigners, especially if the foreigner is not Muslim and the citizen is in anyway related to the royal family.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Wow I knew of oppression. I thought it had maybe gotten better since allowing them to drive.

Are Americans subject to the same laws if they were to visit?
Of course. You are always subject the local laws of any country you visit. US legal protections end at the US border.

The US government can try to intercede with the foreign government if a US citizen is convicted of a crime in a foreign country, but the foreign nation is completely free to reject the US government's request and carry out whatever punishment their own legal system has assigned.

Still want to visit Saudi Arabia?
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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What is there to see?

How about "see what the country is really like"? . It ought to be a goal of any traveler who wants to express an opinion about the country.


The main goal of jihadists is to minimize the influence of non-Muslims on their culture. At the same time, warm hospitality to outsiders is a pillar of their faith. This is a troublesome dichotomy, and for the moment, KSA chooses to obstruct western ideas from gaining any inroads. They would prefer not to have non-Muslim lifestyle n display.

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Old 05-17-2019, 10:34 PM
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Hi. I had to go for work. When I had nothing to do I looked for tourist stuff. This was not easy. They dont put as much value in stuff I would consider historic or culturally important.

Stuff to see. Some I saw, Some I didnt

THis place is by the people who also made Petra. Called Mada'in Saleh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mada%27in_Saleh

Al-Qarah Mountain - this is in Hofuf which also has historic mosques but i didnt go to any. Its a very neat looking landscape and a sort of cave that is very cool inside. bring your own flashlight.
ThePlace: Al-Qarah Mountain in Al-Ahsa | Arab News

Al-Uqayr - not sure what this was but its a castle. i read that the armies that invaded India and Persia left from here.
https://lifeinsaudiarabia.net/blog/2...-saudi-arabia/

Thaj - not much to see but a town from the time of alexander where there was once a lake. super old looking buildings hidden among the village. old wells and tons of pottery shards.

Tarout Island with its old portuguese fort. alot of these places are enclosed in fencing. some kid wandered by and showed me how to get in thru a hole in the fence. spoke good english cuz he went to a local school supported by oil companies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarout_Castle

the markets are interesting too. animals, spices, all sorts of stuff.

one of the oldest christian churches is there. that was a surprise.

ruins of turkish forts on the west coast and the Red Sea is amazingly beautiful. Snorkeling was awesome. you can swim up to a "wall" where the sea drops sharply deep.

alot of these places were hard to find and i was frequently lost. i had to rely on the kindness of strangers more than once. i'm also a man.

anyway. if you're stuck there without family for weeks you make do.
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:57 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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Here’s an example. A member of the US Air Force was accused of theft in Saudi Arabia. The best the US government could do for him was negotiate his punishment down to having his hand surgically removed while under anesthesia. The word of a Saudi citizen is always taken over foreigners, especially if the foreigner is not Muslim and the citizen is in anyway related to the royal family.
Well, you travel to foreign countries then you better learn about their laws and customs. If they chop off a hand for stealing, what made him think that stealing is OK and he will not be punished? Because he is an American citizen?
Punishment too hard? Perhaps. But it works. Is their country. Probably theft is very rare.
They do not go and pay a lawyer to lie and get them out of jail and waste the court, and taxpayers time and money.

BTW: I couldn't find that story on the Internet. Do you have a link to it?
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Old 05-18-2019, 12:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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How about "see what the country is really like"? . It ought to be a goal of any traveler who wants to express an opinion about the country.
You know, lately, lots of people express their opinion about other countries after virtual travel on Google maps. They often think, they are experts and would even argue with members that live there...
I see it on various C-D forums quite often.
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Old 05-18-2019, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Do you think that Saudi Arabia will become a big tourist destination in the next few years rivaling the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Oman, Jordan, and Israel.
When the hell did Oman and Jordan become big tourist destinations? Who's going there and why? And is the UAE really a big tourist destination or is it more of a secondary home for rich people?
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Old 05-18-2019, 01:12 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I and another poster here have both worked in Saudi Arabia. From my perspective SA is primarily for religious tourism any other additional tourism would be icing. But as a destination country like the UAE, highly unlikely.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:55 AM
 
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When the hell did Oman and Jordan become big tourist destinations? Who's going there and why? And is the UAE really a big tourist destination or is it more of a secondary home for rich people?
The UAE, particularly Dubai is a major regional hub. They have built a number of impressive things in order to draw in tourists. It largely depends on what one is after. Huge malls, theme parks, first class accomodation, public events... Not too much for those looking for history, though there are a few gems scattered around.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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When the hell did Oman and Jordan become big tourist destinations? Who's going there and why? And is the UAE really a big tourist destination or is it more of a secondary home for rich people?

I wouldn't say "big" but Jordan has Petra, which blossomed overnight as an attraction. Oman is what KSA would become if it liberalized, which Oman did only decades ago. Oman was closed tighter than KSA until the millennium. The only thing to see in UAE is modern architecture and infrastructure, and you probably won't even meet an Emirati during your visit there.
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