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Old 08-22-2008, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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Crew aboard the Madrid holiday plane that crashed and killed 153 people refused to let a passenger off despite technical problems and a failed take-off, the man’s family said today.

Two hours before the Spanair flight JK5022 crashed during its second attempt to leave the runway yesterday, the victim texted his wife, saying: ‘My love, there’s a problem with the plane.’

Fireball jet crew 'refused to allow worried passenger off' after first failed take-off | Mail Online
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Old 08-23-2008, 12:21 AM
 
Location: mass
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That is ridiculous. We buy a ticket to be on a plane, not to be held prisoner. If something is wrong with the plane, and a person wants to get off, they should be let off.

The airline has the right to throw off a person who is drunk, belligerent, or just plain suspicious, no questions asked, but if a person wants to get off, they can't? wtf.

It's one thing if a person just changed their mind for the heck of it, but if there is a problem and they don't let them off, its borderline kidnapping. The airlines don't want to allow this because it would affect their bottom line, people would demand to get off, once the first person bailed the whole plane-ful of people would, the airline would have to pay to re-book them, it would get too expensive. But don't we have rights? We are not cattle being herded from one place to another.

Does anyone know the legality of this situation? Do we have any rights on a plane? If not, how come? If this man threw a holy conniption fit to get thrown off the plane would there have been legal ramifications for him?

I hope that lady sues the airline's pants off. That is terrible.

I feel so bad for the victim's families.
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Old 08-23-2008, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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Like the 9/11 scenario, WE have be scared off by the legal consequences of doing the right thing and protecting ourselves.

On those jets that hit the towers, the passengers should have just ganged up on the highjacker killers and killed them. It did happen in China in 2002 where the passengers killed the highjackers with their cell phones.

In the "enlightened" society we live in now, we sit by humbly as killers (intentional or not) kill us knowing that some lawyers will later make it all right so long as the lawyers can collect 40% plus costs.

For security reasons, you can't let anyone off for no cause. I could pack a bomb and then say "hey, I changed my mind and then get off". But if the plane has some unreasonable delay or malfunction, then that is a different matter.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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I would have saved that flight had I been on it. If a plane has an aborted takeoff, I'm popping the emergency exit if you don't let me off.

I've been in an aborted landing before and if I never have to experience anything so terrifying again, I might die a happy person. I can't imagine not letting people off after an aborted takeoff.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:06 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Crew aboard the Madrid holiday plane that crashed and killed 153 people refused to let a passenger off despite technical problems and a failed take-off, the man’s family said today.

Two hours before the Spanair flight JK5022 crashed during its second attempt to leave the runway yesterday, the victim texted his wife, saying: ‘My love, there’s a problem with the plane.’

Fireball jet crew 'refused to allow worried passenger off' after first failed take-off | Mail Online
I would have just taken off all my clothes and started acting crazy. They would have gotten him off fast enough. Jail is better than dead, IMHO.

This is a shining example of why I don't get in airplanes.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:55 PM
 
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It's hard to know exactly what happened from just a text message. Maybe no one literally asked the crew to be let off. But at least this does bring light to what can happen on an airplane.

I was on a flight out of Denver once where there a delayed takeoff. The captain came on the speaker and said they were waiting for the food to get on board. I didn't believe him for some reason. But after takeoff they decided to have an "emergency landing" in Colorado Springs. When the plane was landing I saw emergency medics literally running to the airplane. But nothing happened. They bussed everyone back to Denver and put us in a hotel for the night.
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Old 08-25-2008, 05:52 PM
 
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This is interesting, and I'd love to know the whole story here... or if it's even true. Rejected takeoffs and landings aren't inherently dangerous, any more than it is to go to change lanes on the freeway, noticing that it won't work, and turning your blinker off to try in again in a few seconds. It's a completely standard procedure that's trained to death, and most of the time has nothing to do with the aircraft itself, and it's one of the anomalies of aviation that people have such an aversion to these maneuvers. I don't understand why so many people act like pilots are a bunch of yahoos that have more regard for getting in the air than their own lives. They die too, you know.

This makes it easy to look at it like someone was forced into their own death, but even if it IS real and they DID ask to be let off, we're sure to be missing a HUGE chunk of info during the events that lead to the disaster, because throwing in the towel over a mere RTO does not constitute a logical decision. Rule number one: correlation does not equal causation until proven. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the media's doing "well" when they get about half of the facts correct in an aviation-related story.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:03 PM
 
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That is sad and terrifying..I too would demand to leave the plan as I am a nervous flyer as it is.
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