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Old 04-16-2009, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Nope, sorry, perfume does not cause cancer. Cigarettes are the least of our worries? Not when you've lost two loved ones to lung cancer and almost a third.

Geez, you try to put the guns down for a minute and just communicate with someone and you still get a brick wall and hostility.
I wasn't being hostile, just honest. The fact of the matter is, there will always be things we're annoyed by, and we have to deal with them. It's not my responsibility to keep you comfortable, as long as I'm not breaking any rules. Sorry if that seems hostile to you, but I'm not sure what else to say!

For the record, I happen to be a VERY considerate smoker...

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So you've never complained about anything in your whole life? That's strange because you know what you're doing right now? Complaining! You're complaining about our complaining. So if we're pathetic for complaining about smoking... what does that make you for complaining about our complaining? Maybe you should lead by example and stop complaining as well? Maybe you should just "deal with" our complaints, "worry about yourself" and "avoid the irritants".
You lost me with some of that, LOL. Of course I complain about stuff, but never to people's faces - and I don't recall ever demanding new laws over my personal peeves. If somebody with strong perfume gets on the elevator with me, I breathe through my mouth or get off early... they aren't breaking any laws by wearing perfume, so it's my problem to handle if it bothers me. Right??
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Old 04-16-2009, 09:09 AM
 
Location: NYC area
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I wasn't being hostile, just honest. The fact of the matter is, there will always be things we're annoyed by, and we have to deal with them. It's not my responsibility to keep you comfortable, as long as I'm not breaking any rules. Sorry if that seems hostile to you, but I'm not sure what else to say! For the record, I happen to be a VERY considerate smoker...
You lost me with some of that, LOL. Of course I complain about stuff, but never to people's faces - and I don't recall ever demanding new laws over my personal peeves. If somebody with strong perfume gets on the elevator with me, I breathe through my mouth or get off early... they aren't breaking any laws by wearing perfume, so it's my problem to handle if it bothers me. Right??
On the other hand, we also have laws against public urination.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Smokers stink. They will always stink. They stink long after they quit as well because their homes, clothes, and cars smell. It's absolutely disgusting.

I just got back from a trip in Eastern Europe and everyone I traveled with is from countries with smoking bans. We've all developed deep chest coughs from the constant smoking in restaurants (even ones with "smoking sections"... and no, we couldn't just chose to go elsewhere because there are no smoke free restaurants), in the hotel/hostel lobbies, and all over the street.

I have no sympathy for smokers. None whatsoever.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Two words......electronic cigarette.
Just got mine in the mail last week. Google it.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Whew!! What a relief!


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I have no sympathy for smokers. None whatsoever.
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The smoking debate is a tough one. On one hand it's ridiculous that the government makes it practically impossible to smoke, whether it's the high cost of them or the laws restricting where you can smoke to just the negative image they have now. I'm not sure what state it is I believe it's California but I read that you can no longer smoke in your own apartment because the smoke can get into the common breezeways and affect someone. Wow that's a stretch to me. But on the other hand it is harmful and kind of gross. I personally don't care if you smoke around me as long as it's not while I’m eating or in my home but I just hate the government dictating what I can and can't do. Hell you can't even smoke at some beaches now, I mean your outside and you still can't smoke. This is a no win for smokers.
I just wonder, when Southern California has their annual brush fires, consuming homes in the process, and spewing toxic fumes into the air during that time, with dense smoke everywhere, if they wave the smoking bans on their beaches. Anyone know? Wasn't it here that all this madness started?
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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LOL..............aint it the truth!!!

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I just wonder, when Southern California has their annual brush fires, consuming homes in the process, and spewing toxic fumes into the air during that time, with dense smoke everywhere, if they wave the smoking bans on their beaches. Anyone know? Wasn't it here that all this madness started?
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Wow, this thread sure runs the gamut with every opinion, lol... Here are some random thoughts on it after reading all the posts. BTW, I'm someone who was a non-smoker who took up smoking and then quit. I haven't smoked in over a year.

First of all - the judgmental, critical non-smokers (anti-smoking nazis) are the most irrational and unreasonable group I've encountered on either side of the smoking debate. I honestly think they just want to put others down for no real reason other than to elevate themselves. Also, I firmly believe that, while there are people who have an actual allergy to cigarette smoke, the majority of people who claim to be allergic are full of crap. I know this because I've seen people who aren't allergic claim it because they were virulent anti-smoking nazis who were trying to lay guilt trips on people for smoking. It's amazing to me the vitriol some people have towards smokers.

Moving on.... I think it's great that we're past the days of smoking everywhere. When I was a little kid I remember ash trays in malls, grocery stores, Macy's, offices, etc. When I was in college everything was smoking except your dorm room if you chose non-smoking (but the lounge outside your room was smoking). It was too much. When I smoked, I would get smoking rooms for my hotel stay. I didn't realize how much it just ruined everything. I went with freshly washed clothes, and after a few hours in a smoking room, even if I didn't smoke yet, they stunk. After that I only got non-smoking and went outside to smoke. So yes, smokers usually don't realize how bad it stinks whereas nonsmokers pick up on it more easily.

That being said, those non-smokers who insist that all smokers stink and their cars stink etc. are wrong. I know several smokers whose cars don't stink and homes don't stink. Most of them their clothes smell once they wear them but not their clean clothes in their homes. I have known smokers who never smelled of smoke when I interacted with them. I have had friends step out for a smoke and come in and I say "Didn't you smoke?" and they say "yeah" but I don't smell it - most times I do smell it on them though. So all the talk about how all smokers stink and everything they have stinks, blah blah blah - well, that kind of talk STINKS. It's not true.

Rental cars - I have smoked in rental cars with the window open and it's unnoticeable. As a non-smoker, I have been in rental cars where others smoked with the window open and by the time we return the car, the "new car" smell is all you smell.

Rude smokers - yes there are rude ones and ones who think everything should accommodate them, but they are the rare ones. Most smokers are increasingly courteous because they know they're frowned upon by most people.

Rude anti-smokers - this would be a LOT of anti-smokers. I was walking along the sidewalk outside the mall a couple weeks ago. A guy was smoking about 100 feet away. A little girl, near me, started fake-coughing and saying "Mommy, that man is smoking, mommy, that's GROSS that man is GROSS!" As they walked towards him she started fake coughing more and more and saying "Smoking's gross! Smoking's Gross!" and the mother didn't say a word, just smiled a little, tried to avoid eye contact with the man who was sitting on a bench away from the mall entrance, smoking. I would never let my kid be rude like that, and this mother was a jerk to teach her kid to be a nasty jerk like that.

The "I vote with my wallet" non-smokers... Funny, but if non-smokers are so keen on bars and casinos that are non-smoking, why did business get crunched with smoking bans? Particularly at Casinos, which is why Vegas is loosening the few bans they had and Atlantic City, which is seeing its worst revenue in ages, is looking at rolling back the bans (AGAIN). What happened? The casinos became smoke free and all these non-smokers who said how great that would be didn't show up??? Why?

I chalk it up to the "pizza princeple", my own theory. My theory comes from the fact that when a group is ordering pizza, a vocal minority will insist that certain toppings be on the pizzas - like mushrooms and peppers, for example. So with their constant clamoring for mushrooms and peppers, half the pizzas are ordered with mushrooms and pizzas, even though I and many others want plain pizza. Of course, when the pizzas arrive, the vocal half of the crowd who insisted on mushrooms and peppers ALL OF A SUDDEN decide that plain is good, so they each have plain pizza. The result? I get a slice of plain pizza and then all that's left is mushroom and pepper pizza, because all the people who clamored and insisted it be ordered all of a sudden decided no, we wanted plain pizza instead.

Same thing with the casinos. People whined and moaned, "Oh, I would go to the casinos if they weren't smokey, oh, the smoke ruins it, oh the smokers have to go, it's so rude, it ruins everything, if the smokers didn't go more non-smokers would go in their place" blah blah blah.... So the casinos get rid of smoking and what happens? The smokers don't go, and no new non-smoking customers show up. Business goes down, and they look at rolling back the legislation. Of course, anti-smoking lobbyists pipe up again... But now they're crying wolf.

And such is the smoking/non-smoking debate. My attitude is that smokers have it rough, it is a tough habit to kick, and they don't deserve the harsh judgment and mistreatment people give them because they can get away with it. Let the laws continue to be made by what people vote for and what people's wallets vote for - let the businesses hash it out to an extent, also. If a non-smoking nightclub or casino is such a great business venture, let them duke it out with the smoking ones.

But I do have to side with the smokers on the fact that they do get undue abuse directly because people can get away with it.

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Old 04-23-2009, 06:28 PM
 
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i can walk up to a smoker and smeel the stale smoke coming from their clothes. I quite along time ago and never really knew how much it stinks on the smoker.
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Like I reported in a previous post, I'm a smoker who doesn't like smoking in my room, and I blame the hotel developers in this country for being too cheap to provide more balconies in their hotels, or provide a rooftop space for us. Like in Latin America, using a good comparison, where I like to travel. I'm always finding motels/hotels with generous balconies and rooftop decks without paying a fortune to stay there.

Visiting Portland last summer, I found all no-smoking in rooms in downtown Portland. Fine! But where's the balconies? The rooftop deck? So, I was banished to the Ramada at the Airport for my stay there. Same thing happened a recent trip to the East Coast.

Obviously, the hotels are making enough money and for those who have simply given up and resigned themselves to staying home, their revenue is not missed at all. We were all replaced by non-smoking travelers?
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