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Old 04-18-2009, 02:48 AM
 
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cough , cough, is this recently?? I have flown twice in the past three months on American Air and Northwest and had to pay for one bag 60 bucks round trip!!

They get you when you are coming in! so in my opinion, if you see someone with too many bags, they are paying for it!!

Also, I am slim, but I am against charging people for two seats. A lot of people are not overweight but just big guys and women. Make a bigger seat and we wont have all of these arguments!! or unfair pricing!!

As I said, i am slim and I can barely fit into the seats airplane provide you with these days!! then we would all benefit, even if the tickets were more!! And not 1200 dollar tickets that go for 400 or less in coach!







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it does sound like a good idea overall (as mentioned, other airlines have similar rules on the book). I'm overweight, but have no issues fitting in seats or w/ wearing a seatbelt but my shoulders are broader than most women so can run into issues when sitting next to other broad shouldered people. hopefully they won't force me to buy another seat just b/c of this (nothing I can do about my shoulder width!). sounds like I'll be okay though, so no worries for me. though you may now have have who just barely fits trying their hardest to suck it in so they don't have to pay more money and the fact that these people are barely restrained may be a safety issue for them

however, jlawrence brings up another good point. carry-on policies are rarely followed to the letter. I work at O'Hare and see people come in through security w/ massive sized bags and multiple bags (remember one lady w/ a regular sized carry-on, a very large shoulder bag, a large paper bag from a local store filled w/ purchases, and anotner bag of stuff bought in the airport). whenever I fly, I dread beyond in a later boarding group b/c by the time group 3 starts to board, the bins are really filled up and there's always some idiot that puts they bags several rows ahead of where they're actually sitting

and if this is all about customer satisfaction (*cough*BS*cough*), then how about they do something about all the other annoyances: people who recline so far back you can see their eyebrows and end up squishing your knees, kids being loud or climbing over you if you're in the aisle seat (doesn't anyone teach these kids to say "excuse me please" any more?), people w/ laptops wider than the seats who are typing away so fast that their elbows and hands keep bumping into you. I even had one lady w/ too many bags ask me if she could store one of her bags under MY seat and I should move my laptop bag to the overhead bin. I told her hell no (but in a much nicer way). all of the above in one way or another are intruding on my space. of course, these above issues could be handled if airlines enforced carry on rules, parents controlled their kids, and people exhibit some common sense courtesy on board

I think there are a lot of issues w/ airlines that are making people annoyed, however this is one issue they can immediately profit from by forcing people to by larger seats
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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As long as it ain't part of the seat I paid for
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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While i like this idea because it is fair to the people who arent obese - the seats in airplanes are too small. Not saying they have gotten smaller, because they have always been small but they are pretty laughable. I am 6'8'' - but im not overweight and thank god because if i was i wouldnt be able to sit on the plane at all. Right now i struggle with knee room and the like and its only compounded with there i sweaty obese human next to me.

G MAn
I'm 6'1" and my knees are wedged into the back of the seat in front of me.
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:14 PM
 
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Want more room? Here's a fun little story. It's called "More Room Throughout Coach" and was started by American Airlines earlier this decade. It worked just how you want it. "We're removing a few rows of coach class seats so everyone has more legroom!" Unfortunately, old man reality set in and in the end, they found that no one was really switching over because despite all the complaining, no one truly researches seat pitch before flying. They were stuck either having to jack up the price (making it hard to compete on price in this day of folks buying seats based solely on expedia, travelocity, and other side-by-side comparisons), or simply bag it, and that's what they did. It failed miserably. The airline graveyard is full of start-ups that featured "first-class seating at coach prices," Air One, Legend, McClain, Ultrair....

The industry has seen, and the pocketbooks of customers have voted, and then were reinforced through the aforementioned, that they ARE hitting the sweet spot in terms of room versus price, like it or not.
I really dislike that term. "People voted with their wallets!!" no, they did not. All that happened was that people realized the price was a ripoff. That's not "voting with your wallets". Look at how many people are joining exclusive clubs...people will pay the money, as long as it's a fair price.

If you want to provide the first class experience, offer a plane that is nothing but "first class-class" seating. Offer it at a REASONABLE price. You're putting less seats on the plane. Less seats = less weight = less gas = no excuse for ripping people off!

On said plane, bring back the full meals for lunch and dinner, charge a REASONABLE rate - say, $600-$800 roundtrip to most continental destinations - and people would do it if they felt they needed to - like tall people. You might be a midget, but I'm not. Should I be punished for being tall? No. All I'm asking for is a comfortable trip, and I'd be willing to pay for it. But what I won't do is pay 2 grand to sit in first class which is seating that the entire plane should have. It's the principle of the thing; there's principalities in this!

With that idea, you have a cramped, rinky dink plane for the common folk at $250 round trip, and then a higher tier plane - FULL PLANE, not just sections of discrimination - for $600-$800. People would eat it up, especially on those 6 hour cross country flights or flights to Canada. The problem is that the airlines' prices were overinflated by at least double. No, people won't pay a ripoff price. But we will pay a reasonable price for the best experience.

And I'll say it again. If JetBlue can do it, so can the others. Otherwise, we need a high speed rail system, period.
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: California
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Ah, not too much too add I guess, but I think we should try to talk about overweight/obese people with some respect. It's just needlessly hurting people's feelings otherwise.

Anyway, yeah - airlines are a business. They're not in it to provide a customer service. And in case you haven't noticed, they can't afford extra seats and more gas. They are bankrupt! So charge away. The market will either pay or not.
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Coffee Bean
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OK - so I do agree that it seems as though airlines are providing less and less customer service, while charging more and more fees.

BUT - I also think all the bellyaching needs to chill a tad. Air travel is still a pretty amazing service to have available and I think we're all getting a bit spoiled in our Now! Now! Now! world.

Maybe we can try to stop and laugh about it every once in a while??

YouTube - Everything's amazing, nobody's happy (airplane part is about halfway through)

You're sitting in a chair in THE SKY!!!

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Old 04-18-2009, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
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I really dislike that term. "People voted with their wallets!!" no, they did not. All that happened was that people realized the price was a ripoff. That's not "voting with your wallets". Look at how many people are joining exclusive clubs...people will pay the money, as long as it's a fair price.

If you want to provide the first class experience, offer a plane that is nothing but "first class-class" seating. Offer it at a REASONABLE price. You're putting less seats on the plane. Less seats = less weight = less gas = no excuse for ripping people off!

On said plane, bring back the full meals for lunch and dinner, charge a REASONABLE rate - say, $600-$800 roundtrip to most continental destinations - and people would do it if they felt they needed to - like tall people. You might be a midget, but I'm not. Should I be punished for being tall? No. All I'm asking for is a comfortable trip, and I'd be willing to pay for it. But what I won't do is pay 2 grand to sit in first class which is seating that the entire plane should have. It's the principle of the thing; there's principalities in this!

With that idea, you have a cramped, rinky dink plane for the common folk at $250 round trip, and then a higher tier plane - FULL PLANE, not just sections of discrimination - for $600-$800. People would eat it up, especially on those 6 hour cross country flights or flights to Canada. The problem is that the airlines' prices were overinflated by at least double. No, people won't pay a ripoff price. But we will pay a reasonable price for the best experience.

And I'll say it again. If JetBlue can do it, so can the others. Otherwise, we need a high speed rail system, period.
I'm curious..... if you value legroom over price, do you go out of your way to purchase United Economy Plus (5 more inches of legroom), Jet Blue's Extra Legroom Seats (lots more legroom), British Air Premium Economy, Air NZ Premium Economy, Virgin Premium Economy, Midwest Airlines, etc.... or do you shop around for the cheapest airline fare. I guess since you know so much more than the airline CEO's that you should start your own airline.

By the way, several airlines tried the "all business class" seat idea like Silver Jet, Eos Jet, Max Jet, etc... on some of the most profitable routes in the world and guess what.... THEY ALL FAILED. The only one left is Open Skies and it is kept afloat by subsidaries of British Airways (its owner) and charges fairly expensive fares [much more than $600].
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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Yeah, I have no problem with this policy. If you take up more space than one seat allows, you pay for another. It's that simple. I'll take it a step further and say that if you want to bring you pets on board, you pay for another seat as well. Shoving the pet carrier underneath your seat while a petrified animal meows througout the entire red-eye is not cool.
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Coffee Bean
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I'll take it a step further and say that if you want to bring you pets on board, you pay for another seat as well. Shoving the pet carrier underneath your seat while a petrified animal meows througout the entire red-eye is not cool.
Agreed. I actually wish they'd build a separate compartment in the plane for pet transport - not the baggage area - a separate safe, temperature controlled area.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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On said plane, bring back the full meals for lunch and dinner, charge a REASONABLE rate - say, $600-$800 roundtrip to most continental destinations - and people would do it if they felt they needed to - like tall people. You might be a midget, but I'm not. Should I be punished for being tall? No. All I'm asking for is a comfortable trip, and I'd be willing to pay for it. But what I won't do is pay 2 grand to sit in first class which is seating that the entire plane should have. It's the principle of the thing; there's principalities in this!
Many airlines have tried that, none are still operating at this time. In other words, your idea is a flop, customers won't pay for it.

The public wanted deregulation. The public wanted discount carriers. The public wanted cheap airfare. So be it. Destinations will continue to get cut over the next decade as well, leaving small towns high and dry for air travel.
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