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Old 06-05-2009, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Big Island- Hawaii, AK, WA where the whales are!
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I am open to whatever conclusion but again it isn't USA other countries move slower. And isn't the black box supposefully 2400 ft down? That isn't that easy to get to. To me it is truly amazing more planes don't go down with how many flights happen. Yes it would be nice to have an answer-......
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Old 06-05-2009, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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I am open to whatever conclusion but again it isn't USA other countries move slower. And isn't the black box supposefully 2400 ft down? That isn't that easy to get to. To me it is truly amazing more planes don't go down with how many flights happen. Yes it would be nice to have an answer-......
They're saying the "black boxes" could be up to 22,000 feet below the surface; 2400 feet is nothing.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:02 AM
 
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I commented about this in the other air france thread on this forum, but I still have yet to see the press release any photos of the wreckage from flight 447... :
Well as events are updated, one of the reasons is because THEY HAVE FOUND NO DEBRIS.
Ah the press, why do you believe anything they report on? - jumped the gun on the report of finding debris. A few random pallets in the ocean.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: California
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Well as events are updated, one of the reasons is because THEY HAVE FOUND NO DEBRIS.
Ah the press, why do you believe anything they report on? - jumped the gun on the report of finding debris. A few random pallets in the ocean.
Uh, no. I dont buy what the press is saying... not in the least bit.

And they DIDNT just say a "few random pallets in the ocean" a couple of days ago.. thats their 'new' report on what the wreckage is. The first reports from wednesday mentioned an actual airline seat, a 23 foot section of the fuselage, and a fuel spill in and around the area of the debris.

Brazil CONFIRMED it was from air france 447 on wednesday! They said parts of the aircraft were in the water! You cant just retract a statement like that and just say that the debris were just "pallets in the ocean"... A pallet looks nothing like a 23foot section of a fuselage!

I cant believe you dont think there is something suspicious going on... Do some research for yourself. Look at google news... read some of the news articles from tuesday, wednesday, and thursday and youll see there are major inconsistancies.

And now I hear they are blaming the icing conditions for clogging the pitot static airspeed indicator and causing the pilots to become unaware of their airspeed. That is complete and utter BS! Nearly all modern airliners these days are equipped with GPS which pilots can use as a backup source of airspeed and location information and works completely independent of the pitot static system.

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Old 06-05-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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Brazil CONFIRMED it was from air france 447 on wednesday! They said parts of the aircraft were in the water! You cant just retract a statement like that and just say that the debris were just "pallets in the ocean"... A pallet looks nothing like a 23foot section of a fuselage!.
Agree with all, but did the government of Brazil actually confirm that they had found debris on wednesday (and I remember reading a report about a 20 foot section of the plane) or was it simply for example Katie Cuoric, in her usual professional reporting style, quoting Pablo the Brazilian Airforce boy cook who heard it from a mechanic who heard it from the guy that changes oil who heard it from....?
But we are also dealing with Brazil here, not exactly the most efficient or best run country in the world.
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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I think part of the miss information is because no one at this point KNOWS for certain what happened.
The only thing at this point I rule out is terrorism, because if it was the group responsible would be shouting it out by now
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Beaverland, OR
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I think part of the miss information is because no one at this point KNOWS for certain what happened.
Not knowing for certain what happened is absolutely NO EXCUSE to start making up stuff. Any facts reported need to be verified, you can't just go on rumors and opinions. This is Journalism 101.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Not knowing for certain what happened is absolutely NO EXCUSE to start making up stuff. Any facts reported need to be verified, you can't just go on rumors and opinions. This is Journalism 101.
I agree 100% but we no longer have much true journalism it's mostly Sensationalism
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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I think part of the miss information is because no one at this point KNOWS for certain what happened.
The only thing at this point I rule out is terrorism, because if it was the group responsible would be shouting it out by now
Right now the only people I tend to listen to and believe are those who fly the Airbus A330, and most of them agree that it's nearly impossible for an aircraft that new to break apart from just the severe weather conditions it was going through.

what is known for sure is, a sequence of catastrophic events took place, where depressurization occurred, then all systems (electrical, computers, hydraulic, fuel, etc.) were subsequently lost, even the back-up ones, and that happened in rapid succession. That information was transmitted by the A330's computer systems, just before everything on it shutdown, and it didn't look like the flight crew even had a chance to operate the aircraft's APU (batteries) to restart everything, probably because it had already broken apart.

I wouldn't be too surprised if it collided with another aircraft that was operated by one of the drug cartels. We'll just have to wait and see what they recover from the Atlantic. The reason I mentioned the drug cartels is, if it collided with another commercial or private aircraft, we would have heard about another missing aircraft by now. The drug cartels of South America usually fly older aircraft, with pilots that are not IFR qualified.
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Right now the only people I tend to listen to and believe are those who fly the Airbus A330, and most of them agree that it's nearly impossible for an aircraft that new to break apart from just the severe weather conditions it was going through.

what is known for sure is, a sequence of catastrophic events took place, where depressurization occurred, then all systems (electrical, computers, hydraulic, fuel, etc.) were subsequently lost, even the back-up ones, and that happened in rapid succession. That information was transmitted by the A330's computer systems, just before everything on it shutdown, and it didn't look like the flight crew even had a chance to operate the aircraft's APU (batteries) to restart everything, probably because it had already broken apart.

I wouldn't be too surprised if it collided with another aircraft that was operated by one of the drug cartels. We'll just have to wait and see what they recover from the Atlantic. The reason I mentioned the drug cartels is, if it collided with another commercial or private aircraft, we would have heard about another missing aircraft by now. The drug cartels of South America usually fly older aircraft, with pilots that are not IFR qualified.
That would not suprise me either, especially after the pilot flying from Peru as well as a passenger said they saw what looked like a flash of light and then a spiral downward
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