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Old 01-30-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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I agree. I think NYC is really overrated. Probably because people from NYC won't stop going on about 'the city'. It's a bit provincial and not as cosmopolitan as other world cities, like London or Paris.
Of course any major European city is "cosmopolitan" (Having constituent elements from all over the world or from many different parts of the world).

Comparing NYC to London is apples to oranges. The US is bordered by only 2 countries. Whereas it's a relatively short (and Cheap) train/ferry ride, drive or flight to experience a plethora of different countries in Europe. Naturally that opens London, Paris, Rome etc to an entirely different, global cast of characters. Plus, those cities have had CENTURIES to Mature into the "cosmo" locales they are today.

Often folks make this unfair comparison. As if what NYC has to offer has anything to do with what Paris has to offer. (Oh! two big cities with nothing substantive in common.... let's compare).

That doesn't take away from NYC. It's a very young city recognized and sought after worldwide.

Nothing to do with places we've visited that were a disappointment. ... my bad. I'm moving along to another forum.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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..."cosmopolitan" (Having constituent elements from all over the world or from many different parts of the world).

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Well that certainly doesn't describe New York City!
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Of course any major European city is "cosmopolitan" (Having constituent elements from all over the world or from many different parts of the world).

Comparing NYC to London is apples to oranges. The US is bordered by only 2 countries. Whereas it's a relatively short (and Cheap) train/ferry ride, drive or flight to experience a plethora of different countries in Europe. Naturally that opens London, Paris, Rome etc to an entirely different, global cast of characters. Plus, those cities have had CENTURIES to Mature into the "cosmo" locales they are today.

Often folks make this unfair comparison. As if what NYC has to offer has anything to do with what Paris has to offer. (Oh! two big cities with nothing substantive in common.... let's compare).

That doesn't take away from NYC. It's a very young city recognized and sought after worldwide.

Nothing to do with places we've visited that were a disappointment. ... my bad. I'm moving along to another forum.
Sure there may be very good reasons why NYC is less cosmopolitan, and I do agree the geographical isolation of the USA is part of it. Nevertheless, I found it disappointing for that reason: to watch American tv, you'd think it was some fantastic multicultural wonderland.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:24 PM
 
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Sure there may be very good reasons why NYC is less cosmopolitan, and I do agree the geographical isolation of the USA is part of it. Nevertheless, I found it disappointing for that reason: to watch American tv, you'd think it was some fantastic multicultural wonderland.
Are you sure you weren't vacationing in suburban Westchester County? There are skyscrapers there, perhaps you got it confused with New York City?

Queens one of 'most diverse places on Earth,' new figures show - New York Daily News

Brooklyn Enclave Helps New York Top Los Angeles as U.S. Diversity Capital - Bloomberg

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/ny...pagewanted=all
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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Are you sure you weren't vacationing in suburban Westchester County? There are skyscrapers there, perhaps you got it confused with New York City?

Queens one of 'most diverse places on Earth,' new figures show - New York Daily News

Brooklyn Enclave Helps New York Top Los Angeles as U.S. Diversity Capital - Bloomberg
Sure but look at this list: Foreign born - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Though New York comes out top in absolute numbers, it isn't even in the top 10 cities in terms of the proportion of foreign-born residents. Toronto in particular I've always found to be far more diverse and cosmopolitan (and incidentally, Canada's even more geographically isolated than the US).
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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Sure but look at this list: Foreign born - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Though New York comes out top in absolute numbers, it isn't even in the top 10 cities in terms of the proportion of foreign-born residents. Toronto in particular I've always found to be far more diverse and cosmopolitan (and incidentally, Canada's even more geographically isolated than the US).
Well you can hardly beat Wikipedia as a reliable source of information, but here's another perspective...

BBC NEWS | Americas | Miami tops 'foreign-born' cities

1. Miami
2. Toronto
3. L.A.
4. Vancouver
5. New York
6. London

Miami is overwhelming Latin American, and Vancouver overwhelming Asian, so they are not exactly diverse, strictly speaking.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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Well you can hardly beat Wikipedia as a reliable source of information, but here's another perspective...

BBC NEWS | Americas | Miami tops 'foreign-born' cities
Your source, almost a decade old, doesn't really disagree with mine. Toronto comes out way ahead.

In any case, this thread was just about which places we found most disappointing. And I found New York disappointing - it was definitely more inward looking than other world cities I've been to.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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... Toronto in particular I've always found to be far more diverse and cosmopolitan (and incidentally, Canada's even more geographically isolated than the US).
Canada has had a much less restrictive immigration policy than the US.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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I think the most disappointing places I have visited ended up more to due with personal reasons. I find visiting relatives or friends are not good vacation ideas. My sibling lived in Hawaii and the trip was a disaster. I hope to go back again without the drama. I visited a friend that lived in Vegas, another disaster. I did go on a vacation to MA for the Walden Woods Project. That was a disappointment. The people of Concord were not pleased and could give a hoot about Walden Woods. That wasn't the greatest experience. Most of the time I enjoy my vacations even if it's not a huge deal. I enjoy the change of scenery.

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