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Old 07-30-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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God forgive me... if in fact I'm defending the quilty....

But heres my thoughts on that..... it only looks suspicious to those who believe the family was responsible for her death.

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Now this is suspicious! If my tiny daughter went missing Christmas or any other morning! I'd have checked every nook and cranny before calling police! Or at least while they were on their way. He found her later when someone suggested looking I believe.

 
Old 07-30-2010, 07:22 PM
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Now this is suspicious! If my tiny daughter went missing Christmas or any other morning! I'd have checked every nook and cranny before calling police! Or at least while they were on their way. He found her later when someone suggested looking I believe.

he said he looked everywhere but didn't check the one area she was in. His friend who he called over searched everywhere including where she was eventually found but it was dark and he couldn't find the light switch.

the police searched the house, but the room she was found in had a faulty door handle and didn't open easily so they never opened the door to search the area.

At about 1:30pm Ramsey went back looking "one last time'' with his friend and before opening the door to the area she was in first called his friend over then "found" her.

FACT: while talking to his son from his first marraige in the driveway he told him he found her body at 10:30am.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 08:12 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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At about 1:30pm Ramsey went back looking "one last time'' with his friend and before opening the door to the area she was in first called his friend over then "found" her. FACT: while talking to his son from his first marraige in the driveway he told him he found her body at 10:30am.
Many contradictions on the "facts" in the referenced links (even on this thread), e.g. evidence that the child was sexually abused...then stated by another source that she absolutely was not. An article stating that the train case was never opened...then another stating that it was, etc. It makes one wonder about the journalists doing the reporting. Very confusing.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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This has a very balanced analysis of the evidence. The Investigation - JonBenet Ramsey on Crime and Investigation Network
Balanced? Read it again. It's very slanted; it looks to be written from the viewpoint of someone definitely looking to frame a family member.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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FACT: while talking to his son from his first marraige in the driveway he told him he found her body at 10:30am.
I'm confused...someone over heard this conversation, or the son revealed this to another source

I've read so many different versions of stories...I don't know whats true and whats been embellished.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: S.A., Texas ~ Home of the HUD secretary farm~
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Well, i assume this is fact..that when they the Ramsey's got up that morning they discovered their daughter missing. Most people I'm sure would check everywhere in the house. Not finding her they would assume she went out or was taken out of the home. You'd start looking for ways out. Were the doors locked from inside..was there an open window? I believe they would have looked until they answered those simple questions.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Heres a story I remember hearing when it all hit the media.....

The family discovered the childs body...removed her from the basement to another part of the house and the family formed a prayer circle around the child....and this was blamed as a hinderance or contaminating the evidence.....
 
Old 07-30-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Heres a story I remember hearing when it all hit the media.....

The family discovered the childs body...removed her from the basement to another part of the house and the family formed a prayer circle around the child....and this was blamed as a hinderance or contaminating the evidence.....
Most of what was reported for the first year or so was wrong. But once it makes the news it sticks.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Most of what was reported for the first year or so was wrong. But once it makes the news it sticks.
You'd hope the media would be more responsible. I hate the way the police seem to jump to blaming family members when they cannot find a suspect.
There have been many cases of this, and some of these people were imprisoned.

Once the police seem to be going that way the media has a field day highlighting only suggestive evidence and public opinion gets swayed in that direction.

I read some story about (I think) Rick Hendricks. This is what happened to him. Later he had a retrial and was let loose.

There were stats in the book, toward the end, that in the past about 80-something percent of murders were from someone the victim knew, but now it is less than half. Stranger murders are just increasing for some reason, so the police have more unsolved crime which the public does not like. It is easier to look at a family member and try to dig up supporting evidence than to look at evidence with an impartial eye and say 'I don't know'.
 
Old 08-12-2010, 08:08 PM
 
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Well, i assume this is fact..that when they the Ramsey's got up that morning they discovered their daughter missing. Most people I'm sure would check everywhere in the house. Not finding her they would assume she went out or was taken out of the home. You'd start looking for ways out. Were the doors locked from inside..was there an open window? I believe they would have looked until they answered those simple questions.
There were six doors to the house. They couldn't remember if they'd all been locked or not. There was a broken window in the basement that John Ramsey had broken to get in a few weeks earlier when he forgot his keys.

I always leaned toward it being someone in the family. However, I recently read a true crime book called "The Cases that Haunt Us." The author is John Douglas, an FBI retiree who was in the unit that first started doing profiling. He was called in as a consultant on the case. After reading what he had to say, I no longer think the way I did.

The book is really good. It covers Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Borden, the Lindbergh kidnapping/murder, JonBenet, and several other less-known stories. He gives his opinion based on the evidence as well as a profile of the type of person who would have committed the crime.

I liked this book so much that I went back and got another one of his called "Journey Into Darkness". It covers some lesser-known but horrific crimes, some serial killers, and some child murders. It is absolutely fascinating but also horrifying. I had no idea so many children have been tortured and murdered in the United States. Some of these crimes were solved, and some were not. In one case his investigation of a number of rape/murders over a period of years ended up in the release of a man who was in prison for one of the murders that was later connected to another guy and by then they had DNA testing. The weird thing is the first guy actually confessed to the murder.

Anyway, to get back on topic, he makes a good case that someone watching JonBenet came into the house through that broken window and killed her and then left through the window. Another interesting fact was that a colleague of Douglas's who studied the autopsy photos detected two faint red marks that looked as if they could have been made with a stun gun.
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