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Old 06-21-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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None of these speculations fit! Abuse by the mother does not explain the DNA left behind or many of the other details. While most people do think atleast the mother knew more than she let on....the above scenarios do not fit. It was something weirder than normal child abuse for there to be other adult males involved.

 
Old 06-21-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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None of these speculations fit! Abuse by the mother does not explain the DNA left behind or many of the other details. While most people do think atleast the mother knew more than she let on....the above scenarios do not fit. It was something weirder than normal child abuse for there to be other adult males involved.
The DNA located was touch DNA, which means nothing.

There are a million ways it could've ended up on the scene as the scene was thoroughly contaminated.

If you take the DNA out, what's left? A mountain of circumstantial evidence saying "they did it".
 
Old 06-21-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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JonBenét Ramsey murder case, an investigative analysis — John did it! — Crime Library on truTV.com

Cyril Wecht Findings from autopsy report... Forensic Pathologist
Cyril Wecht, the famous forensic pathologist, profiled — JonBenet: From Impressions to Book — Crime Library on truTV.com

The official Medical Examiner Autopsy report
JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy Report 12/27/96 - Ramsey Case News Story - KMGH Denver

Contains transcripts of investigative questioning of John Ramsey
JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / The Basement

Ransom letter
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...iw=840&bih=331

A scenario of what may have happened to JonBenet
JonBenet Ramsey


New DNA evidence cleared the Ramseys
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07...dna/index.html

Case Re-opended Oct. 2010
http://www.cuindependent.com/2010/10...tigated/18777/

Questions for JonBenet's brother -- again? - CNN


Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome


The Stun Gun Myth


Experts dispute stun gun theory

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Old 06-21-2012, 04:07 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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The DNA located was touch DNA, which means nothing.

There are a million ways it could've ended up on the scene as the scene was thoroughly contaminated.

If you take the DNA out, what's left? A mountain of circumstantial evidence saying "they did it".

If you could post Patsy's transcript from 1998 again, that would be great.

Couldn't find the link you posted, googled too, found nothing. Wanted to include it in my list of links for anyone interested in reading.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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Hmmm...that was interesting reading Virgode. Thanks for all of the links. I have nod doubt the family was involved.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 05:34 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Hmmm...that was interesting reading Virgode. Thanks for all of the links. I have nod doubt the family was involved.
I wanted to get some of the better links together. I'm certain there are more sites. I've read every link there plus more.

Yeah, I'm convinced now, Pasty wrote the letter, and equates to cover-up. Theres no predator who broke in.

Perhaps Patsy did have Munchausen Proxy Syndrome, its difficult for me to wrap my head around her abusing JB.

In my mind, it leaves John or the son Burke. I believe it was accidental.
 
Old 06-22-2012, 03:54 AM
 
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If you could post Patsy's transcript from 1998 again, that would be great.

Couldn't find the link you posted, googled too, found nothing. Wanted to include it in my list of links for anyone interested in reading.
http://www.acandyrose.com/1998BPD-Pa...w-Complete.htm

Lots of other good stuff at the acandyrose.com website.
 
Old 06-22-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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http://www.acandyrose.com/1998BPD-Pa...w-Complete.htm

Lots of other good stuff at the acandyrose.com website.
Thanks again.

Why would a calm collected husband tell his hysterical wife to make the 911 call, and then call to invite family & friends for support, after reading a ransom note specific about outside contact? She didn't even mull it over, she acted within minutes.

Patsy Ramsey not only wrote the ridiculous letter, she orchastrated the entire cover-up.
 
Old 06-22-2012, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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JonBenét Ramsey murder case, an investigative analysis — John did it! — Crime Library on truTV.com

Cyril Wecht Findings from autopsy report... Forensic Pathologist
Cyril Wecht, the famous forensic pathologist, profiled — JonBenet: From Impressions to Book — Crime Library on truTV.com

The official Medical Examiner Autopsy report
JonBenet Ramsey Autopsy Report 12/27/96 - Ramsey Case News Story - KMGH Denver

Contains transcripts of investigative questioning of John Ramsey
JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / The Basement

Ransom letter
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...iw=840&bih=331

A scenario of what may have happened to JonBenet
JonBenet Ramsey


New DNA evidence cleared the Ramseys
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07...dna/index.html

Case Re-opended Oct. 2010
Additional interviews to be held for JonBenet Ramsey murder | CU Independent

Questions for JonBenet's brother -- again? - CNN


Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome


The Stun Gun Myth


Experts dispute stun gun theory


Thanks Virgode, for the links, why on earth didn't Dr. Wecht's testimony get more credence by the grand Jury? Re-watched the movie "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" shows the usual legal problems, but if you look at all this it really is sad.

And of course, John Ramsey has another book out. I don't think I will read it.
 
Old 06-22-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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I still think Patsy did it...I am going with the abuse, and possible Munchousen Syndrome, or maybe a new syndrome...I have seen those pagent Mom's on that reality tv show...and really, I know it is reality TV...but really, those Mom's are over the top on control. I watched one poor little girl, cry, and her Mother told her she had to sit and have her hair curled or else...and that kid stopped crying...which makes me think that she was afraid of "or else"...Patsy looks pretty controllling, and quite the perfectionist...having a daughter with a potty issue, at age 6...probably not fitting into her plan of perfection...and all those medical appointments? If they were trying to cover up abuse, there would not have been all those medical appointments....so...I am thinking the Munchousen...who knows...
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