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Old 08-05-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Dunwoody,GA
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Regardless of whether he pleads guilty or is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will never see the light of day as a free man again. Hinckley will not either. There is a real misperception about people found NGRI; they're not "getting off" at all. Like many people diagnosed with schizophrenia, Loughner does not believe he is mentally ill. So, he will refuse his meds, he will deteriorate and become psychotic again, docs will have to get a court order to force meds, and then the cycle will repeat. I've worked in a hospital for people found NGRI, so I've seen it all play out. I would be shocked if this guy is ever freed even if he is hospitalized instead of put into prison.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:46 AM
 
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The gossip is that Loughner will plead guilty this week and receive a life sentence for his crimes.

Someone did mention that he conceivably could also be tried by the state of Arizona for murder. That's certainly an option. My hunch is though that its all part of the deal. Loughner's legal counsel probably wouldn't have recommended a guilty plea unless he knew his client wouldn't face capital punishment period. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens this week.

Randy seems to think that we shouldn't have an insanity defense because "civilized societies" don't allow animals to run wild in their community". My good man, that's why there is an option in the system called "life without parole".

Every country that he would recognize as "civilized" not only allows an insanity defense, but they also don't have the death penalty at all. Singapore maybe the only "sort-of" exception to that rule. I say "sort of" because until the last decade or so they would have been seen as a third world country.'

Just for the record, the death penalty has been abolished in Canada, all of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and almost 20 states in this country. I don't necessarily agree with that approach. However, in this case its pretty clear Loughner wasn't playing with a full deck. Its enough of an extenuating circumstance that based on what I know would prevent me from sentencing him to death.

A wise country would at least examine the relationship between having semi automatic firearms with magazines that hold 20 rounds or more of ammunition available in a manner that crazies like Loughner can buy them and homicides. However, we don't do that (and won't be doing that any point in the forseeable future). I have no reason to believe we won't see repeat offenses like this one.
This is why I like having the death penalty as an option, you don't get endless appeals when you take a plea deal. I don't want to see the DP applied but having it as an option is useful. The Green River Killer would be an even better example of the usefullness of having the DP option.

P.S. Go do some research on the first "insanity defense". One of the most colorful characters in US history.

Daniel Sickles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-His leg is in the smithsonian
-He gunned down Fracis Scott Keyes son for cheating with Mrs. Sickles, and got away with it.
-Disasterous command at Gettysburg
-Introduced a prostitute to the Queen of England under the name of a political rival....

lol.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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Jared Lee Loughner pleads guilty to Arizona shooting rampage - BostonHerald.com
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:02 AM
 
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I guess I do feel sorry for him...he is mentally ill. Now, he is in prison for life. Some folks get no breaks...

And I agree, he has destroyed many lives by his actions...could this have been prevented? People knew he was crazy...why didn't anyone say anything...
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Regardless of whether he pleads guilty or is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will never see the light of day as a free man again...
...which is fortunate for us. He seems to understand that now.

"At the medical prison, Loughner at first insisted Giffords was dead. 'There's no way she could have survived that shot to the head,' he told the psychologist. Told otherwise, Loughner 'was disappointed. He felt like he failed. This was another failure in his life. And that's been difficult for him to accept.'

Loughner began attending some group meetings. He took on two jobs, rolling towels and stamping return addresses on envelopes. He told fellow inmates, 'I'm not ever going to get out.' " Jared Lee Loughner pleads guilty in Gabrielle Giffords attack - latimes.com
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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One of the victims that Loughner shot testified at his sentencing hearing today.
Giffords' husband, others testify during Loughner sentencing
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:28 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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“Mr. Loughner, you may have put a bullet through her head but you haven't put a dent in her spirit and her commitment to make the world a better place,” Kelly said, according to media reports. “Gabby would trade her own life to bring back any one of those you savagely murdered on that day,” Kelly said.
Gabrielle Giffords' husband to shooter: You didn't dent her spirit - latimes.com
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Execution is a waste of human resources. Put him (them) to work.

Link to my Great Debates CD Thread:

Incarcerated: Put them to work? Save money? Why not?
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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The man is a nut. His acts have no ideological coherence at all.

People like that don't belong executed. They belong locked up forever.

Civilized people don't punish the mentally ill.
Agreed.

FYI- If any of you want a LONG hard laugh....look up this guy who got off using an insanity defense. One of the most colorful characters in history.

Daniel Sickles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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No. They lock them up forever. Possibly, put them to some useful work that might benefit the survivors of their victims, and/or society.

Wanna live in Singapore? I don't.

Texas is bad enough. They have executed at least one demonstrably innocent man; probably, several.
Uh, what man has been "demonstrably innocent?" Innocent with PROOF? Not what you believe and/or think. PROOF????
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