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Old 06-23-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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This is a jury of her peers. They range in age from 32 to 65. They come from all walks of life. Pay is $30.00 a day. I do not have a description on the alternates.
A lot of detail, but pretty much fits the sequestered jury profile pool. Got a kick out of the reporters/authors attempt to clasify each into a carefully woven profile ('The student"..."the church lady"..."The Policeman's Daughter - haha she's 55 years old), making it sound like a weekly sitcom cast. Might be a fair jury, but I wouldn't say representative of society:
-6 are over 50
-At least 6 are retired or not employed
-Of the ones that are under 50 - 2 are not employed, 2 others are public government employees
-Not one under 30.

Why don't they just print - a selection of 12 mostly elderly and unemployed jurists. I thought I was reading about the cast from the TV show "The Golden Girls" at first.

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Old 06-23-2011, 11:37 PM
 
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A lot of detail, but pretty much fits the sequestered jury profile pool. Got a kick out of the reporters/authors attempt to clasify each into a carefully woven profile ('The student"..."the church lady"..."The Policeman's Daughter - haha she's 55 years old), making it sound like a weekly sitcom cast. Might be a fair jury, but I wouldn't say representative of society:
-6 are over 50
-At least 6 are retired or not employed
-Of the ones that are under 50 - 2 are not employed, 2 others are public government employees
-Not one under 30.

Why don't they just print - a selection of 12 mostly elderly and unemployed jurists. I thought I was reading about the cast from the TV show "The Golden Girls" at first.
You realize Florida is called "God's Waiting Room."

I guess they did the best they could in jury selection. So many people were questioned and dismissed. It took 10 days to finally seat a jury. I would have done all I could to get out of it. Being sequestered would drive me nuts.
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Old 06-24-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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You realize Florida is called "God's Waiting Room."
Good point, I lived and grew up in Florida. We used to laugh about all the old people driving between Orlando and Tampa...until you go down to Sarasota and Fort Myers. It's like the city of the living dead.

Let me tell you about all the retired Old People living in Orlando - I swear their parents live in Fort Myers.

OK I know...off topic.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Really, I mean, half the people in Orlando barely speak English...
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Old 06-24-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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It's a hard case to defend. Baez? He seems inexperienced because he can't even word questions the right way (even after several tries and hints for crying out loud!).
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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Really, I mean, half the people in Orlando barely speak English...

I watched the jury selection for the Anthony trial and they had to dismiss several that had a difficult time with English.

Miami is the place where you find very little English!
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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Good point, I lived and grew up in Florida. We used to laugh about all the old people driving between Orlando and Tampa...until you go down to Sarasota and Fort Myers. It's like the city of the living dead.

Let me tell you about all the retired Old People living in Orlando - I swear their parents live in Fort Myers.

OK I know...off topic.
My son lives in SW Florida and it's a mecca for retired people. What amazed me during jury selection so many people had heard of Caylee Anthony disappearing but that was it. George and Cindy were very vocal and visible for months I don't see how anyone missed that.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:34 AM
 
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This is a jury of her peers. They range in age from 32 to 65. They come from all walks of life. Pay is $30.00 a day. I do not have a description on the alternates.

Juror 1: THE NURSE
The married woman, 65, has two grown children. A retired nurse and volunteer counselor, she pays close attention to the proceedings. She also supports the death penalty. "I value life she said during jury selection, "but I also value the criminal justice system."

Juror 2: THE FAMILY MAN
During jury selection, this thirtysomething, married man told attorneys that his mom was a single mother "like Casey." An IT worker, he has a 9-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old son. Although he opposes the death penalty, he says he had some doubts of Anthony's innocence. "My impression was that, yes, I thought she did it," he said last month. "But if I had to return a verdict right now, I would say not guilty."

Juror 3: THE STUDENT
A 32-year-old single woman, she is working on her nursing degree. She often sits motionlessly and watches the trial with wide eyes. Soft-spoken and demure, she admits she knew little about the case before being selected for the jury. "I could be fair," she told attorneys. "I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't be."

Juror 4: THE CHURCH LADY
The never married woman is in her late 40s and lives alone. Deeply religious, she did not want to be selected, saying, "I don't like to judge people." Anthony's defense fought to keep her on the jury, where she shook her head as she heard about Anthony's repeated lies.

Juror 5: THE MOTHER
With long gray hair and glasses, the retired nurse's aide, 57, often has a frown on her face as she watches the trial. A mother of three children, she has an 11th-grade education and is the only juror with a criminal record: a DUI arrest from 1998. When asked whether she could vote for the death penalty, she was ambivalent. "I guess I believe in the death penalty," she said. "I'd have to know a lot of facts before I really considered it."

Juror 6: THE SALESMAN
The 33-year-old married man has two children, ages 6 and 22 months. He has a business degree and sells restaurant equipment. Throughout the proceedings, he has had trouble staying awake during the dry scientific testimony.

Juror 7: THE SECRETARY
The 41-year-old divorced secretary has always been around the law. Her father was an attorney, and she now works in juvenile justice welfare. During jury selection, she explained that she could give the death penalty if necessary. "It would be, gosh, a solemn decision," she said nervously, "but it is an option under the law."

Juror 8: THE POLICEMAN'S DAUGHTER
The defense was worried about this married customer service rep, 55, who has two sons approximately Casey Anthony's age. Her father was a police officer, and she has no problem with the death penalty. "If I know all the facts," she said, "I have no problem voting for the death penalty."

Juror 9: THE HANDYMAN
At 53, this single former logger sits close to the witnesses; he never takes his eyes off the courtroom proceedings. A native of Indiana, the thin, balding man does odd jobs to supplement his income as a caregiver for a stroke patient. "I don't think we've heard the whole story," he told the court. "I hold no bias."

Juror 10: THE BACHELOR
Tall and broad-shouldered, the 57-year-old has never been married and has no children. He works for a mobile phone company and spends a lot of time reading. When asked about the case, he admitted, "I don't know any details, but I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty."

Juror 11: THE GYM TEACHER
The 33-year-old single man works as a high school gym teacher. Tall and handsome, he has gotten the nickname of "Johnny Depp" from some of the courthouse staff. He often leans forward during the shocking testimony. "Everyone I work with think she's guilty," he said in jury selection," but I can keep my mind open."

Juror 12: THE COOK
The sixty-ish woman has two children and one young grandchild. Working part time as a cook at a Publix supermarket, she often looks to the female prosecutor for reaction from the testimony. A fan of legal dramas, she says, "I have no problem deciding on the death penalty."
You do know that legally someone who is against the death penalty is NOT allowed to sit on a jury in a death penalty case, don't you?
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:39 AM
 
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Just wondering: do you guys really believe that defense attorneys completely make up the defense "story" in these cases?

That's illegal. And the problem is that if a defense attorney makes up the entire defense, after the trial, if the defendant is found guilty, that defendant could file a bar complaint against the defense attorney for suborning perjury and making up the story presented in court!. Numerous people on the defense team would have to know that the defense is just a made-up story and there is always the possiblilty that someone would get mad at the defense attorney and report him/her for doing so. The attorney would lose his bar car and could even be criminally charged for doing such a thing. The defense comes from what the defendant says and from INVESTIGATION by the defense team and investigators.
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Old 06-26-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Defense attorney's listen to the defendent, and vigorously defend the story that the defendent presnts. Which is why a scrupulous defense attorney would not have touched this case with a ten foot pole, after all CA is a KNOWN, pathological liar. Baez is on clear ground here, he could have suggested this as a possible scenario, and Casey readily agreed and ran with it, or she herself could have told him this story, and he took it at face value. He has no liability in this drama, client told him the information.

Baez saw CA as a bottomless check, with guaranteed payment, and the added bonus of media attention. He sees himself as an Orlando "F. Lee Bailey". Right.
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