Norway Builds the World's Most Humane Prison (alive, news, American)

[springazure]

I wonder how the Charles Manson/Jeffrey Dahmer types would do in this setting? If I was a prisoner, I would WANT those 2 locked AWAY FROM ME!

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by Phil306

No, they cannot sentence to life in prison. Read it again. The MAXIMUM they can sentence one too is 21 yrs. Afterwhich, they can REQUEST 5 yr extentions; per your post.

However, you realize, its NEVER OCCURRED???

It very well could occur now. It most definitely COULD end up in a life sentence. Per my post and link.

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

I'm referring to anyone who was in a prison like this for 21 years. You'd have no life on the outside and life on the inside is like vacation. If I had no life on the outside, why be outside? Just commit another crime and go back in for another 21 years. The "punishment" for doing so is really a reward.

Um ok. If that's the case, why is their recidivism rate lower than ours?

[Snowblue]

Originally Posted by Phil306

No, they cannot sentence to life in prison. Read it again. The MAXIMUM they can sentence one too is 21 yrs. Afterwhich, they can REQUEST 5 yr extentions; per your post.

However, you realize, its NEVER OCCURRED???

It has never occured because the extension possibility is new in Norway.

Also, in 2008, a new law was made about serious crime against the society, allowing for 30 years of prison. This law has never been used, but it is expected that Breivik will be the first to be tried within this law.

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by Phil306

No death penalty and yes, he will end up there. Not to mention, under law in Norway, the maximum amount you can serve is 21 years. So our killer, will be out when he is about 53.

That sucks!

All of that on the tax payers expense, including from the victims relatives.

Cruel, cruel; in my book.

[Snowblue]

Originally Posted by Phil306

No death penalty and yes, he will end up there.

It has not been decided what prison he will end up in. Today, he is at Ila, a different prison.

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

Um ok. If that's the case, why is their recidivism rate lower than ours?

That has nothing to do with this particular prison because it's a new prison!!!! You'll have to look elsewhere for the answer to that question.

[Snowblue]

Here is a picture of the cell he lives in at the moment. He spends 23 hours a day in this cell, with one hour outdoor, in isolation.

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by Antonio84

That sucks!

All of that on the tax payers expense, including from the victims relatives.

Cruel, cruel; in my book.

Not if this is how you want your society. You have to remember that THIS is how they planned it to be. They have what they want. Criminals there get what society has deemed is fair to give them and that is a second chance no matter what you've done to land in prison.

Personally, I think they should make sure the families live, at least, as well as the prisoner but that's a personal opionion. I don't think people should be rewarded for committing crimes. Apparently, they don't think that way. The prisoner is the one who matters to them not the victims. I don't mean that in an unkind way. They just put the emphasis on redeeming the person who needs redeeiming at the expense of the people who don't need redeeming. The one who needs redeeming is the one they concentrate on and spend their money on. The victims are left to fend for themselves because they don't need redeeming. I can kind of see the logic.

Just for comparison, I compared the cost of living in the United States and Norway. I'm still trying to find something on taxes. I'm guessing they are higher too.

Indexes DifferenceModerator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedConsumer Prices in Norway are 99.57% higher than in United StatesConsumer Prices Including Rent in Norway are 86.94% higher than in United StatesRent Prices in Norway are 45.12% higher than in United StatesRestaurant Prices in Norway are 159.00% higher than in United StatesGroceries Prices in Norway are 120.10% higher than in United StatesLocal Purchasing Power in Norway is 11.67% lower than in United States

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

That has nothing to do with this particular prison because it's a new prison!!!! You'll have to look elsewhere for the answer to that question.

Again, did you read the article? Yes, THIS prison is fancy and new but the way in which Norway approaches criminal rehabilitation is the same.