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Old 08-03-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I guess that's where our viewpoints diverge. I'm not one of those "protect the children at all costs type people"
I have seen that mentality cause way too much pain in my own family with false accusations and such.
I believe in balance. Not jumping from one extreme to the other.
I believe children do deserve good loving homes. But choosing those homes based on age isn't the way to go. There are loads of kids that were abused in foster care by parents way over 18...and there are loads of kids that had a 19 yr old mom and have been quite happy.
Three of my closest friends had their oldest kids at 19 and those "kids" are happy well adjusted adults now.
I myself, got pregnant (but miscarried) at 19. I was working full-time and helping to take care of my mom who had cancer. (she went into remission but died 4 years later) My oldest (who I had at age 22) was only a year and a half old and doesn't remember her.
We get to read and hear about the sensational cases of child abuse but society doesn't equally praise all the young parents who do take good care of their kids...which leaves a rather one-sided impression.
All I can say is WOW. I believe that the rights of the child supercede any percieved rights of the parents. The child is the one at risk!!!!

IMO, we should be doing everything possible to insure that every child is raised by good parents even if that means screening parents and requiring training. This is NOT about the parents. It's about the child. Unfortunately, the only way it could possibly work would be to sterilize every woman and make her prove she's ready to be a mother and can provide for a child to have the procedure undone and that is never going to happen. We don't have the money to pull every child who even appears to be at risk let alone to start enforcing a minimum age of parenting so children wil continue to be abused and die. It's pretty sad that we put the right of their parents to procreate above them but we do.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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I'm not a big TV person (except for the ID Channel with all the True Crime) so I never heard of this woman until I happened upon her by accident near the end of the Casey Anthony trial. I thought I'd listen because I hadn't really been following the case and wanted to catch up.

That was the first and last time I want to listen to her.
Yes. If I had to play the game kill-marry-screw with Nancy Grace, Larry the Cable Guy and a donkey.....let's just say that it would still be worth killing Nancy Grace.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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All I can say is WOW. I believe that the rights of the child supercede any percieved rights of the parents. The child is the one at risk!!!!

IMO, we should be doing everything possible to insure that every child is raised by good parents even if that means screening parents and requiring training. This is NOT about the parents. It's about the child. Unfortunately, the only way it could possibly work would be to sterilize every woman and make her prove she's ready to be a mother and can provide for a child to have the procedure undone and that is never going to happen. We don't have the money to pull every child who even appears to be at risk let alone to start enforcing a minimum age of parenting so children wil continue to be abused and die. It's pretty sad that we put the right of their parents to procreate above them but we do.
Like I said, we see things differently....and since we don't have the resources as you stated, I guess it's a moot point. I have kids, I LOVE my kids, other kids are ok...but I've never been one who thinks that children's rights should supercede everything else.
When we start doing that, innocent people get hurt because people get short-sighted in their fervor...
And IMO an innocent person is an innocent person whether they are 5 or 45 ...and neither is more important than the other.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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Yes. If I had to play the game kill-marry-screw with Nancy Grace, Larry the Cable Guy and a donkey.....let's just say that it would still be worth killing Nancy Grace.
Lol! I agree
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:49 PM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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Dear God. The only real solution I can think of it to train a live video cam on every child, 24/7. If the neighbors had been watching Christian Choate would still be alive, too. And Tish Carmichael. And Ricky Holland. By the way, this is the anniversary of Ricky Holland's murder.
Harsher punishments work well too.

If you murder a child, it's a trial, then to the gallows. No appeal after appeal, no book deals/movie rights, NOTHING! You get hung, game over, the end, do not pass go, do not collect $200, NOTHING!

It's a sad day in this country, when pot dealers serve more time than murderers do!
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Old 08-04-2011, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Wildside of Oahu
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Here is an example of good citizens who did decide to get involved . The man had been trying to lure children into his home for a month. Thank God none of the children went inside his house. Word got out into the community and the matter was taken care of ( right away!) before any child was hurt and/or murdered.

Child luring suspect found beaten
Too bad this happened in 2007. Surely there are more of these predators that need a good azz kicking!
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:00 AM
 
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Harsher punishments work well too.

If you murder a child, it's a trial, then to the gallows. No appeal after appeal, no book deals/movie rights, NOTHING! You get hung, game over, the end, do not pass go, do not collect $200, NOTHING!

It's a sad day in this country, when pot dealers serve more time than murderers do!
Actually, I like having the DP but allowing people to plea to Life No Parole in those cases and here is why....

These scumbags have likely been involved in other crimes. This could help other families have closure, find bodies etc. For reference this is exactly what was done with the Green River Killer. Without the DP on the books they will just roll the dice on trial, lengthy appeals process etc.

With a strict no-deals DP on the books you get the same thing, you have no leverage over the murderer to help clear unsolved cases, perhaps turn in other pedos they know etc.

P.S. This is also the only way around the whole appeal after appeal thing without a constitutional amendment that will never happen.
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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...Cliffie...snipped...And Ricky Holland. By the way, this is the anniversary of Ricky Holland's murder.
one of the saddest. But, then again, they all are.
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Old 08-06-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Out West
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What can WE do as a society? The article I read stated that the neighbors KNEW that this kid had been locked in that box as punishment before....but NO ONE reported it?!?!

NO ONE?!

WE as a society need to start getting involved and stop acting like we shouldn't. Too many times we hear or see things and we do NOTHING about it. Pick up the damn phone and call someone if you KNOW that the child was PUT. IN. A. BOX!!!! as punishment, in the past! NOWHERE is that proper parenting!
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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What can WE do as a society? The article I read stated that the neighbors KNEW that this kid had been locked in that box as punishment before....but NO ONE reported it?!?!

NO ONE?!

WE as a society need to start getting involved and stop acting like we shouldn't. Too many times we hear or see things and we do NOTHING about it. Pick up the damn phone and call someone if you KNOW that the child was PUT. IN. A. BOX!!!! as punishment, in the past! NOWHERE is that proper parenting!
It would depend on what being put in a box means. It could have been a big box she sat in like sitting in a chair in the corner. Back in pioneer days a wooden box was used to keep children safe while mom ran to the barn or whatever. It looked like a house with a pitched roof with the peak cut off. The box was tall enough so the child could just peek out but not get out of the box.

Seriously, I wouldn't think to call CPS if someone told me a child was made to sit in a box for punishment. I wouldn't be thinking a small plastic tub with the lid closed. I'd be thinking a box in the corner which, really, is no different than a chair in the corner. It's something to sit in until their time out is done. I can see someone not thinking this is an issue.
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