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Old 08-09-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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You and probably the jurors didn't read far enough down in the jury instructions to reach the Child Abuse charge--- it's between ATTEMPT TO COMMIT CRIME and PLEA OF NOT GUILTY; REASONABLE DOUBT; AND BURDEN OF PROOF.
My mistake. I mixed up "Child Neglect" as that...not Child Abuse"...would have been the charge had they wanted to go after her for the drowning.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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Honestly, I think the hubris and egos of the prosecution team dropped the ball here. It never should have been a death penalty case, thay tried to go for gold, and ended up with egg on their faces. They should have focused on lessor charges that were easier to make a case for, kid is dead, Mother responsible for welfare of child, gross child neglect. Negligence.
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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Apparently someone hacked Casey's Slide account or she is posting on it. No post at all since 2007 and new slides have been put up starting July 28, 2011. She always used caseyomarie for her web accounts. The one picture on July 29 says she is in Carlsbad CA.

Slide

Today was Caylee's 6th birthday.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:04 PM
 
Location: FL
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Honestly, I think the hubris and egos of the prosecution team dropped the ball here. It never should have been a death penalty case, thay tried to go for gold, and ended up with egg on their faces. They should have focused on lessor charges that were easier to make a case for, kid is dead, Mother responsible for welfare of child, gross child neglect. Negligence.
Exactly, if people would actually look up the FL Statute numbers (she was charged with 782.07(3) and 827.03(3) , the lesser felonies and read them , no other conclusion could be drawn. Doesn't even say it has to be wilfull, just culpable negligence.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...SgefyA&cad=rja

827.03(3) Not only does it say a caregiver should provide food , shelter, clothing, etc. it specifically addresses a caregiver's failure or omission to provide medical services (sounds to me like if she doesn't call 911 upon discovery of the alleged drowning that's an epic fail) cut and dried, plain as day and considering the circumstances 30 years in prison.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Apparently someone hacked Casey's Slide account or she is posting on it. No post at all since 2007 and new slides have been put up starting July 28, 2011. She always used caseyomarie for her web accounts. The one picture on July 29 says she is in Carlsbad CA.

Slide

Today was Caylee's 6th birthday.
more trash for cash. They have "people" from her defense posting that crap....sad, very sad.

lol in that one posters ID is jacktorrance- serial killer in the shining/steven king. More smoke and mirrors to make a cheap buck.

poor caylee......
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Exactly, if people would actually look up the FL Statute numbers (she was charged with 782.07(3) and 827.03(3) , the lesser felonies and read them , no other conclusion could be drawn. Doesn't even say it has to be wilfull, just culpable negligence.
Culpable negligence is actually above gross negligence, so that was a long shot too.

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"The term culpable negligence should be construed to mean a negligence of a higher degree than that which in civil cases is held to be gross negligence, and must be a negligence of a degree so gross as to be tantamount to a wanton disregard of, or utter indifference to, the safety of human life." [Smith v. State, 197 Miss. 802 (Miss. 1945)]
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:11 AM
 
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Exactly, if people would actually look up the FL Statute numbers (she was charged with 782.07(3) and 827.03(3) , the lesser felonies and read them , no other conclusion could be drawn. Doesn't even say it has to be wilfull, just culpable negligence.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...SgefyA&cad=rja

827.03(3) Not only does it say a caregiver should provide food , shelter, clothing, etc. it specifically addresses a caregiver's failure or omission to provide medical services (sounds to me like if she doesn't call 911 upon discovery of the alleged drowning that's an epic fail) cut and dried, plain as day and considering the circumstances 30 years in prison.
To convict of child neglect, the State must prove Casey committed the crime charged. Considering the State didn't know of and then rejected the drowning theory, and we heard Ford say she didn't know if a drowning happened, and a supposed witness to the drowning denied it happened, the jury wouldn't have convicted of neglect.

Next thing you know, we'll have suggestions that the state should have charged George Anthony with child neglect and used Casey as a witness.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:20 AM
 
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Honestly, I think the hubris and egos of the prosecution team dropped the ball here. It never should have been a death penalty case, thay tried to go for gold, and ended up with egg on their faces. They should have focused on lessor charges that were easier to make a case for, kid is dead, Mother responsible for welfare of child, gross child neglect. Negligence.
kid is dead . Mother responsible for welfare of child . gross child neglect.

Connecting those dots, we'd have lots of parents in prison for accidents, simple negligence. Bad dot connecting.

You sound like juror Ford did in her interview. That the Only charge was 1st degree murder, death penalty. The charges went as low as ATTEMPT TO COMMIT CHILD ABUSE.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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There is a charge......"abuse of a corpse" or something like that.....but just like everything else in this case......they didn't "prove" Casey was the one who disposed of the body.

Case in point: some people think George may have disposed of the body.....so who are you going to charge and you can't prove which one did it.

Personally.....I don't think George had anything to do with it......I found his testimony more believable than Cindy's or Lee's.....except about having sex with that woman. I think a lot of people mistook the animosity and sniping between George and Baez as dishonesty on George's part. George was really pissed at Baez {and I don't blame him} and it affected the tone, but not the accuracy, of his testimony, IMHO.
Was George asked in court while testifying if Caylee died in the swimming pool? If so, what did he say?
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I know. I'm surprised that she wasn't charged with that as it would have been a slam dunk conviction, but the DAs were incredibly arrogant in believing they had the murder conviction locked up.
Since the drowning allegation was first brought up by the defense while this case was in trial, could the prosecution have added the charge of "abusing a corpse" to the current trial or would it have to be a separate charge after the trial?
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