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Old 02-13-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: SWFL
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Where I sit you're expecting clairvoyance from 911 dispatchers. The details of circumstances cannot be verbally relayed by someone who is unclear what is going on herself. Now can it?
It's similar to the nature of emergency medicine. I'm having a heart attack but I'm talking about dizziness, back pain, and an argument I had with my kids. Unless you're trained what symptoms are signs of something acute and life threatening, I'm going to die of collective ignorance in a waiting room. That's why we have triage staff. It's also why they make more. Until you do these jobs you just don't know.

A TRAINED social worker calling for HELP does not need any of the initial BS of the call.....her ID and the address that the cops or whatever need to be sent to should be immediate response time.

If this were a courtroom or a town hall meeting, I'd be escorting you out because you aren't contributing anything but neediness. Where I stand you're part of the problem when a grown adult would animate themselves to compete with 2 dead adults and 2 dead children to satisfy personal world view demands. I will not be responding directly to you any further in this thread until you address how 'family values' could become so corrupted as to create this nightmare. Carry on as you have been, the only thing you're contributing to this thread is vicariously, third party narrative- you're making an object lesson of yourself.

OMG, LMAO, I'm not the object, sister.

I ask that no one hit that TOS button and no moderator intervene.
Oh no, let me say whatever I please!!!!

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The 911 operator was not responsible for the deaths of these boys. Even if the police had arrived earlier, the outcome would have been the same. However, the 911 operator response does merit review for other cases, when a CPS social worker calls for an emergency police back up.

CPS is not responsible for the deaths of those children either. Most people don't think that a Father will blow up his home, with his sons in it. There is not clear evidence that the Father was a danger to himself or others...note, I did say "clear and convincing evidence"...So, this too will be looked at in terms of changing methods of operation for CPS.

We can argue this from all sides, but in the end...Josh Powell was the person who is ultimately responsible for the entire tragedy. Sadly.

And it is situations like this, that change methods of operation. I know this from my own job...we had a tragic accident years ago...and since then, we have double checks, and triple checks to avoid an incident, that seemed completely stupid...but a chain of events happened, and there was no clear documentation of who caused the problem, it was everyone involved...and what we did was analyze the situation, and changed policies and procedures, so that it won't happen again...as will no doubt happen in this situation.
That, is what everyone's outrage seems to want to happen....change.

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Volitile partnered relationships indicitive of past abuse of the victim as well as the perpetrator. Not specifically physical abuse, theres a lot falling under the 'abuse' umbrella. The entire dynamic may or may not include Susans parents, depending on the validity of Susan accounts that say her parents were abusive. We'll never know for certain and can only speculate.

I'll pose a question, if a women or man for that matter ( I don't want to allude to victims being one or the other gender and offend anyone) is aware and educated recognizing patterns of behavior indicating red flags for the future, how many will actually heed the warning early on and end the relationship?
Some will, most won't, I dare say. When you are in love it is so easy to overlook a telltale sign or red flag. You don't want to hurt youself, do you? You don't want to "make a mountain out of an ant hill" do you? <<<<That's what an abuser will say to you. YOU are the crazy one. YOU are mistaken about things. YOU, YOU, YOU. THEY are as innocent as new babes don'tchaknow?

I was in love. My future husband looked at MY daughter and said "You know, M******, I am only marrying your mother waiting for you to grow up". No word of a lie!!!! He then poo-pooed it saying he was joking when he saw the look on my face. Fortunatly we did not live together so I just waited until he finished his coffee and made up a story that I had to be somewhere. Last time my door ever opened to him. It didn't even hurt that much...not when I knew he was not joking. It made me mad and strong. We dodged a big bullet and was actually glad he had said that. Would've been too late for my poor 4 year old daughter if he hadn't.

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You do realize that statement would be similar to violating ones rights, then telling them not to contact any authority figure?

A common ploy of abusers and bullies.
Bravo.

"I'm feminist"

Gee, we couldn't've guessed!

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Let's keep this thread focused on this crime. Thanks.
Thank you.

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I don't want to or mean to come across as rude, please don't take it that way. This post, among others, is too long, too complicated, too boring. I find myself not reading your posts, and I am sure many others are not also. I'd like to keep this thread open to all who have comments to make on the Powells. Thank you for your cooperation.
OMG, TY, TY, TY.

I think this thread has run it's course for the time being IMO. What more can we say that we haven't said? If there is more news then we can resume. Whatcha think, gang? Time to let the wind howl into the bag??? JMHO
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:59 PM
 
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This entire situation was a tragedy. I wonder at what point it could have been avoided?

Last edited by jasper12; 02-23-2012 at 08:51 AM.. Reason: edit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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Post Susan Cox Powell Search Shifts To Rural Oregon Farm


Susan Cox Powell Search Shifts To Rural Oregon Farm


Law enforcement officers were searching a rural farm near Salem, Ore., for Susan Cox Powell, who has been missing since 2009.

According to Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, a "promising lead" prompted authorities to begin searching the property on Tuesday. Bremner represents Powell's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

I hope and pray LW, will find her.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Susan Cox Powell Search Shifts To Rural Oregon Farm


Law enforcement officers were searching a rural farm near Salem, Ore., for Susan Cox Powell, who has been missing since 2009.

According to Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, a "promising lead" prompted authorities to begin searching the property on Tuesday. Bremner represents Powell's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

I hope and pray LW, will find her.
Thanks for posting.

Good her parents press on continuing the search.

I still believe Steve Powell, Josh Powell's father was involved and knows the location, he rented a car and was MIA during Josh Powell's so called camping trip.

Not Forgotten

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Old 05-21-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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Post Welcome

I was hoping they would find her. The nest link is more bad news.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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Angry Utah police close investigation into disappearance of Susan Powell


Utah police close investigation into disappearance of Susan Powell


WEST VALLEY CITY, Utah Josh Powell reportedly had an affair just months before his wife disappeared and his brother may have been "heavily involved" in getting rid of her body, Utah police revealed as they announced they couldn't solve the sensational case.
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:57 PM
 
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I think the dad knows where the body of Susan is located too. He only got 30 months in jail for voyeurism. I didn't realize the brother had committed suicide.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The Feds haven't closed the case. Susan's remains may yet be found.

A thought hit me yesterday about this case: We don't know how close the Powell boys were to their father. And no one knows very much about what happened that night.

Could it be possible that Seven Powell, the brothers' father, who was obsessed with his daughter-in-law, have killed her? And then his dutiful sons covered up his crime?

Given that both brothers killed themselves, and Josh killing his sons, says something deep about something in the Powell family. I don't know what that something is, but I'm not an FBI profiler, either. I suspect the FBI is thinking along different lines than the Utah State Police. How many fathers kill their young sons with a hatchet?

And why did Josh, who had resisted all FBI efforts successfully for over a year, suddenly lose his discipline and kill himself and his sons? He wasn't any closer to being cornered when he did it.

If the FBI couldn't break him, what did? I do not believe it was a guilty conscience, that's for sure, but I can understand him snapping from pressure delivered from a dominating father who had ruined his life and happiness.

With the elder Powell behind bars for quite a while, this gives the FBI more time to search, both for the remains and for more circumstantial evidence.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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The Feds haven't closed the case. Susan's remains may yet be found.

A thought hit me yesterday about this case: We don't know how close the Powell boys were to their father. And no one knows very much about what happened that night.

Could it be possible that Seven Powell, the brothers' father, who was obsessed with his daughter-in-law, have killed her? And then his dutiful sons covered up his crime?

Given that both brothers killed themselves, and Josh killing his sons, says something deep about something in the Powell family. I don't know what that something is, but I'm not an FBI profiler, either. I suspect the FBI is thinking along different lines than the Utah State Police. How many fathers kill their young sons with a hatchet?

And why did Josh, who had resisted all FBI efforts successfully for over a year, suddenly lose his discipline and kill himself and his sons? He wasn't any closer to being cornered when he did it.

If the FBI couldn't break him, what did? I do not believe it was a guilty conscience, that's for sure, but I can understand him snapping from pressure delivered from a dominating father who had ruined his life and happiness.

With the elder Powell behind bars for quite a while, this gives the FBI more time to search, both for the remains and for more circumstantial evidence.

A new twist to investigate on the case.

Sadly, he has his fathers genes. I doubt the apple feel far the tree.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:09 AM
 
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Angry Susan Powell Case: Video of Missing Mom Surfaces as Case is Closed


Susan Powell Case: Video of Missing Mom Surfaces as Case is Closed


A newly released, eerie home video made by Susan Powell, the Utah mother who disappeared in 2009 under mysterious circumstances, shows her recording her family's belongings just in case something ever happened.
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