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Old 10-08-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Lets stop making excuses.
???
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:55 AM
 
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The sad part of this tragedy is that sometimes family members do not want to accept the fact that a family member is mentally ill, because in our society having a mentally- ill member accrueds to defectiveness, and there is a tremendous taboo against it.

Mentally-ill people, with certain diagnoses, will hallucinate, and when a person hallucinates, he/she is under the command of evil voices within his/her brain telling them what to do............unfortunately, I am pretty sure that there were symptoms presented prior to this tragedy, that it could have been advertently, derrailed. It breaks my heart to read about it.

Angelyn, her mother Kathlyn and father James breaks my heart. In addition the young couple standing underneath the walkway that thought at first it was a jacket that dropped over the side. Always thinking we could have caught her if we had known it was a child.

Kathlyn, her father and brother ran down five flights of stairs to reach Angelyn. As they gathered around Angelyn they looked up at Carmela Dela Rosa, five stories above them. Kathlyn Ogdoc said her mother had crossed her arms on the railing, placed her chin on them, and placidly looked down at them, saying nothing.

Perhaps a mental institution is the place for this woman. But from everything I have read she hated her son-in-law and the baby looked like her dad. I have one grandchild and he is the most wonderful child in the whole wide world so I cannot conceive of a grandmother in her right mind doing this. She needs to be put away somewhere.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:58 AM
 
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Angelyn, her mother Kathlyn and father James breaks my heart. In addition the young couple standing underneath the walkway that thought at first it was a jacket that dropped over the side. Always thinking we could have caught her if we had known it was a child.

Kathlyn, her father and brother ran down five flights of stairs to reach Angelyn. As they gathered around Angelyn they looked up at Carmela Dela Rosa, five stories above them. Kathlyn Ogdoc said her mother had crossed her arms on the railing, placed her chin on them, and placidly looked down at them, saying nothing.

Perhaps a mental institution is the place for this woman. But from everything I have read she hated her son-in-law and the baby looked like her dad. I have one grandchild and he is the most wonderful child in the whole wide world so I cannot conceive of a grandmother in her right mind doing this. She needs to be put away somewhere.
I've hated people before. Not many, but a few. Even THOSE people, who I absolutely cannot stand, I would never do this to. There has got to be something wrong with a woman who can act in such a cold and calloused manner.

I don't get it.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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Angelyn, her mother Kathlyn and father James breaks my heart. In addition the young couple standing underneath the walkway that thought at first it was a jacket that dropped over the side. Always thinking we could have caught her if we had known it was a child.

Kathlyn, her father and brother ran down five flights of stairs to reach Angelyn. As they gathered around Angelyn they looked up at Carmela Dela Rosa, five stories above them. Kathlyn Ogdoc said her mother had crossed her arms on the railing, placed her chin on them, and placidly looked down at them, saying nothing.

Perhaps a mental institution is the place for this woman. But from everything I have read she hated her son-in-law and the baby looked like her dad. I have one grandchild and he is the most wonderful child in the whole wide world so I cannot conceive of a grandmother in her right mind doing this. She needs to be put away somewhere.
I agree. Jesus, what an incredible tragedy. I used to read about cases where this sort of thing happened when I was in law school. It was hard to read then and it still is. She absolutely must be put away.

This is why I take great pleasure in hugging my kids often each day and they hear me tell them I love them at least once before they turn in for the night. Kids must always be cherished.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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We have all watched TV news with firemen rescuing people from burning buildings and it gives me one of those WAHOOOOO YESSSSS moments when I see a person catch a baby or child from a burning building. I sincerely hope the young couple can put this behind them. I am afraid I would beat myself to death for a long time. It truly breaks my heart what this woman did and it touched so many innocent people.

This one kills me and the woman that killed her husband, cut him up and cooked him makes me gag.

My youngest is 33 and even now ... he still gets hugs and I love you kiddo ... but I too receive hugs and I love you mom ... makes your heart just swell up.
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Old 10-09-2011, 07:13 PM
 
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We have all watched TV news with firemen rescuing people from burning buildings and it gives me one of those WAHOOOOO YESSSSS moments when I see a person catch a baby or child from a burning building. I sincerely hope the young couple can put this behind them. I am afraid I would beat myself to death for a long time. It truly breaks my heart what this woman did and it touched so many innocent people.

This one kills me and the woman that killed her husband, cut him up and cooked him makes me gag.

My youngest is 33 and even now ... he still gets hugs and I love you kiddo ... but I too receive hugs and I love you mom ... makes your heart just swell up.
I think that is called residual violence. It's the effect of violence on those not directly involved in a violent crime. It effects more people than we know or think of.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Are you people insane yourselves?!? Who could NOT find that she had malace and aforethought. She threw the baby off a platform while she was with her daughter! She said she threw her to get back at her daughter and the baby's father for having a child out of wedlock! She knew it was wrong, and she did it because she wanted to do something wrong to cause pain to a third party. That is the definition of malace and aforethought!
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Are you people insane yourselves?!? Who could NOT find that she had malace and aforethought. She threw the baby off a platform while she was with her daughter! She said she threw her to get back at her daughter and the baby's father for having a child out of wedlock! She knew it was wrong, and she did it because she wanted to do something wrong to cause pain to a third party. That is the definition of malace and aforethought!
Yep, it is. And because she was crazy she thought this was the way to do it. What a heartbreaking situation. How as a young mother do you ever recover from this.....
You can be crasy, and also commit a crime w/ malice and forethought. The forethought might be hard to prove, did she plan having everyone go to the fifth floor...the malice is easier. Evidently she wanted to punish her daughter and the baby's father. Either way, she needs to be away from other people for as long as the law allows. How much time is really served w/ a 35 yr sentence these days?? Good time? 1/3.....yrs??
The judge can even give her more time, right?
Virgode....And I too am curious about the "lets stop making excuses remark"??
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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Are you people insane yourselves?!? Who could NOT find that she had malace and aforethought. She threw the baby off a platform while she was with her daughter! She said she threw her to get back at her daughter and the baby's father for having a child out of wedlock! She knew it was wrong, and she did it because she wanted to do something wrong to cause pain to a third party. That is the definition of malace and aforethought!
Not if she has mental health issues, which she obviously does. They can act without forethought.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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Not if she has mental health issues, which she obviously does. They can act without forethought.
I think the woman was just plain evil even though I cannot logically comprehend how a sane person could harm a child.
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