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Old 10-18-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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Andrea Yates: the story is more complicated than you present it. She had (like several members of her family) suffered from bipolar disorder. Her family was in denial about this (hereditary) psychosis. The onset of bipolar is late adolescence/early adulthood. When a woman suffers from a psychosis (bipolar or schizophrenia) pregnancy has a positive effect on her, just like a physical ailment would - nobody knows why - the hallucinations abate. Her pregnancies were, in some ways, Yates self-medicating.

Though the husband got blamed after Yates killed her kids, he went to great lengths to get her psychiatric care. Her psychiatrists misdiagnosed her with postnatal depression, she was put into group therapy with substance abusers. The husband and his mother had been taking turns looking after her and the kids. The psychiatrist had advised them to give Andrea some time unsupervised with the kids in the hopes that it would stimulate her to come out of her semi-catatonic state. Andrea "outsmarted" them.

Her (incompetent) psychiatrists should have got the Conrad Murray treatment.
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Old 10-18-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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I refuse to get caught up in the Nancy Grace style speculation frenzy.

More facts will come out, no doubt the police are scouring the cell phone records and checking various surveilance tapes etc.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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Andrea Yates: the story is more complicated than you present it. She had (like several members of her family) suffered from bipolar disorder. Her family was in denial about this (hereditary) psychosis. The onset of bipolar is late adolescence/early adulthood. When a woman suffers from a psychosis (bipolar or schizophrenia) pregnancy has a positive effect on her, just like a physical ailment would - nobody knows why - the hallucinations abate. Her pregnancies were, in some ways, Yates self-medicating.

Though the husband got blamed after Yates killed her kids, he went to great lengths to get her psychiatric care. Her psychiatrists misdiagnosed her with postnatal depression, she was put into group therapy with substance abusers. The husband and his mother had been taking turns looking after her and the kids. The psychiatrist had advised them to give Andrea some time unsupervised with the kids in the hopes that it would stimulate her to come out of her semi-catatonic state. Andrea "outsmarted" them.

Her (incompetent) psychiatrists should have got the Conrad Murray treatment.
I understand that. I was just trying to point out without being too verbose that you can't lump in Yates with Smith and Anthony.

Anthony IMO was most likely an accident that was covered up, Yates was mentally ill, and Smith was a monster.
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I understand that. I was just trying to point out without being too verbose that you can't lump in Yates with Smith and Anthony.

Anthony IMO was most likely an accident that was covered up, Yates was mentally ill, and Smith was a monster.
Do any of the rest of you believe that the anthony case was a covered up accident ? Jeeze Im sorry but I cannot wrap my head around that one .
I do believe however that susan smith yes is a monster . I dont believe in pp depression as an excuse for killing five kids , one maybe . Five no way . I dont think we will ever know what truly happened in the Yates case . But I do think we all know what happened in the anthony case and the smith case . I pray that we find this little sweet baby girl alive and well .
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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The Anthony case is strange, because in FL children drown in pools on a regular basis(I live there and it is way too frequent).

Yet no one is ever charged with anything. I can't think of one case here where the parents or the person watching the child faced charges involving neglect or manslaughter.

IMO it should be treated more seriously, but no one ever seems to face criminal charges. It is always called a "tragic accident" and that is the end of it. So if Caylee drowned in the pool they had to know they would be off the hook.

I think she was drugging her to get her to sleep, had done so in the past, only this time Casey overdid it and the child died.

Then panic ensued.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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My gut feeling is "guilty" after I heard the parents for the first time...I didn't see real tears but later the water came down...I felt it wasn't sincere.

Than I heard the dog who was outside didn't bark which makes it clear it must not have been a stranger..

Than the change in story, the failing of the lie detector test, the story she was drunk, and to me at least the other kids should be removed from the home...kids don't need a passed out mom who can't remember anything and on top of that under her ca the baby was gone and nowhere to be found...get the other kids out!!!!
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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If I had any doubt about baby Lisa's mom's guilt that disapeared when Joe Tacapino arrived on the scene...he is known as lawyer to the guilty back in NYC!!
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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My gut feeling is "guilty" after I heard the parents for the first time...I didn't see real tears but later the water came down...I felt it wasn't sincere.

Than I heard the dog who was outside didn't bark which makes it clear it must not have been a stranger..

Than the change in story, the failing of the lie detector test, the story she was drunk, and to me at least the other kids should be removed from the home...kids don't need a passed out mom who can't remember anything and on top of that under her ca the baby was gone and nowhere to be found...get the other kids out!!!!
She also had a neighbor's child in her care(little girl) who was watching videos with her two boys while she was drinking.

And the people next door also have an outside dog that didn't bark. They share a chain link fence and the house next door can't be more than 50ft away.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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The mother was drunk.....accidently killed the baby.....and is now trying to cover it up. That is how I see it.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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The mother was drunk.....accidently killed the baby.....and is now trying to cover it up. That is how I see it.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
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