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Old 11-25-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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The use of the stun gun is getting outta hand........

Police 'killed deaf cyclist with stun gun after he failed to obey instructions to stop' | Mail Online
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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The state Office of the Medical Examiner hasn't yet determined a cause of death.
It sounds like the author of the article and you are coming to an early conclusion here.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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It sounds like the author of the article and you are coming to an early conclusion here.
How so? Did the police officer not taser the man? Did the man not have health issues that may have made the shock lethal? Did you read the whole story?

Deaf people really are at risk sometimes times since no can "see" their disability.

This added.......
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...sed-by-police/
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I agree. These police officers are getting way out of control with these things. If they want to be issued one, I know they firsdt have to be shot with one.

It should be changed that everytime they use one they have to also be shot with one. This would at least prevent them from using them only in situations where it is absolutely necessary. Simply disobeying an order should not be grounds to use oine of these things. Only if the situation escalates in to violence should they be permitted.

Wheres phil the cop? I'm sure he has a take on this.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Why doesn't this surprise me?

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Old 11-25-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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How so? Did the police officer not taser the man? Did the man not have health issues that may have made the shock lethal? Did you read the whole story?

Deaf people really are at risk sometimes times since no can "see" their disability.

This added.......
N.C. probes death of bicyclist tased by police - CBS News

What you said is true, I am deaf and have gotten into some things simply because I couldn't hear what a person is saying...
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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Really? So I guess you read about the hundreds of thousands of instances where they used the stun gun instead of their firearm, injuring a person instead of blowing them away like Dirty Harry and you came to this conclusion?
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Really? So I guess you read about the hundreds of thousands of instances where they used the stun gun instead of their firearm, injuring a person instead of blowing them away like Dirty Harry and you came to this conclusion?
Some people are just intent on turning this forum into the "politics/great debates" forum. But that's OK, I love a good argument.
In this case I agree with the OP. The problem isn't using a stun gun to replace lethal force (as it was intended), the problem is using a stun gun when lessor force would be appropriate. In this case the LEO could have made visual contact with the person and then determine that he was deaf.
Really the problem is a stun gun is used by lazy cops who don't have the proper training, intellegence, or experience to de-escalate a situation. It's easier for the bro to taze then to talk someone down, reason with the person, or use other non-physical options. Amazingly, some LEO departments have no policy on when to taze or not, and that leads to a tazing free for all.
I got a kick that the family is only "considering" legal action. Heck, the city should just change their town name now to the families last name.
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Old 11-28-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Some people are just intent on turning this forum into the "politics/great debates" forum. But that's OK, I love a good argument.
In this case I agree with the OP. The problem isn't using a stun gun to replace lethal force (as it was intended), the problem is using a stun gun when lessor force would be appropriate. In this case the LEO could have made visual contact with the person and then determine that he was deaf.
Really the problem is a stun gun is used by lazy cops who don't have the proper training, intellegence, or experience to de-escalate a situation. It's easier for the bro to taze then to talk someone down, reason with the person, or use other non-physical options. Amazingly, some LEO departments have no policy on when to taze or not, and that leads to a tazing free for all.
I got a kick that the family is only "considering" legal action. Heck, the city should just change their town name now to the families last name.
Thanks, you saved me quite a bit of typing.....
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I agree. These police officers are getting way out of control with these things. If they want to be issued one, I know they firsdt have to be shot with one.

It should be changed that everytime they use one they have to also be shot with one. This would at least prevent them from using them only in situations where it is absolutely necessary. Simply disobeying an order should not be grounds to use oine of these things. Only if the situation escalates in to violence should they be permitted.

Wheres phil the cop? I'm sure he has a take on this.
I have an awful lot of "takes on this." However, they are ALL moot and mean nothing. As much of this discussion is. You are using what happened in a foreign country, with their laws, training and experience, and trying to force them on persons here. It doesn't wash, nor does it make sense.

This occurred in the UK. The UK has MUCH different laws, political aspects, social aspects, et al then the US. Therefore, any sort of "comparison," is worthless.

Would I have tazered this man? Based upon a few paragraph's of THIS article, probably not. I wasn't there and therefore, I make very few statements about what occurred, without knowing the total and complete facts.

My last paragraph is what seems to upset most people on this particular forum. Their ignorance. And yes, it is pure ignorance. People read a short news article, which is generally biased and DOES NOT have the full facts. Yet they believe, they can make some "accurate" statement about what occured. That is ignorance and it borderlines stupidity.
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