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Old 12-12-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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We all know that much of the story written in the book 1984 is becoming everyday life but this story makes it clear to all that 1984 is here.....NOW!

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front - latimes.com

 
Old 12-12-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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And the answer is:

For decades, U.S. courts have allowed law enforcement to conduct aerial surveillance without a warrant. They have ruled that what a person does in the open, even behind a backyard fence, can be seen from a passing airplane and is not protected by privacy laws.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 06:15 AM
 
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We are getting closer and closer to 1984 everyday.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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1984 was about being trapped in a Communist Party, we-control-what-you-think hell. This is more like old-fashioned Cold war paranoia run amok.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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We all know that much of the story written in the book 1984 is becoming everyday life but this story makes it clear to all that 1984 is here.....NOW!

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front - latimes.com
Nothing wrong here. In order for a "predator-drone" to see something it has to be in plain view. If an object is in plain view than there is no "search and seizure" within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment occurring. Hence, the police don't need a warrant and no constitutional rights are being violated.

I actually think the use of the predator-drone in law enforcement is probably a good idea. It ought to be able to identify movements of illegal aliens into this country from across the border. It could give us a "leg up" on drug smuggling and growing illegal drugs. It could be one more tool in locating dangerous fugitives or those fleeing law enforcement officers.

I imagine there were people who objected when the police departments received the first police cars. They probably felt less threatened by police who could only "walk a beat". Some people probably object to SWAT teams and such. However, they are a necessity in a country where people are adamant about exercising Second Amendment rights.

This comparison to "1984" is an inept one. Honestly, I was more concerned a few years back when the President in office asserted he had the right to torture people to obtain information from the outside the entire judicial process. I am concerned about laws that allow the detention of people because the President suspects they could be a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant". There's your "1984" for you.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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This comparison to "1984" is an inept one. Honestly, I was more concerned a few years back when the President in office asserted he had the right to torture people to obtain information from the outside the entire judicial process. I am concerned about laws that allow the detention of people because the President suspects they could be a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant". There's your "1984" for you.
Off topic a bit.........
Then you agree that G.W.Bush is a war criminal?
 
Old 12-16-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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We all know that much of the story written in the book 1984 is becoming everyday life but this story makes it clear to all that 1984 is here.....NOW!

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front - latimes.com
I'm as big a civil libertarian as anyone, but this is serious paranoia on your point. How is this any different that police driving around in a cruiser on patrol?

Nope. If you really want to make a case, then you need a different news article, such as the one where American citizens can now be indefinitely jailed if they are even remotely suspected of being a terrorist--a criteria that has become awfully broad in the past several years.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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I love seeing opinions from people who apparently haven't even read 1984.

Very little of 1984 has come to pass. Most of what has is simply due to tech growth. Some of you guys better go out and stock up on tinfoil hats.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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I love seeing opinions from people who apparently haven't even read 1984.

Very little of 1984 has come to pass. Most of what has is simply due to tech growth. Some of you guys better go out and stock up on tinfoil hats.
Actually, the far more accurate dystopian fantasy wasn't that of Orwell's. It was that of Huxley, who supposed that people would be controlled not through the threat of pain but from the withdrawal of pleasure.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Off topic a bit.........
Then you agree that G.W.Bush is a war criminal?
Off topic... but right on your agenda.
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