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Old 01-10-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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6 narcotics police officers were shot last week in Ogden, UT, one died, others remain in critical/serious condition in the hospital. Reason for arrest: suspected drug activity.

Mr. Mathews, the shooter, was an Army Vet, suffering from PTSD, depression, anxiety, worked the nightshift at WalMart, needed mental health counseling, more than anything, and he was reportedly self-medicating himself with marijuana, growing some pot plants in his house.

I'm a nightshift worker, sleep from 10am to 6pm everyday, and it's hard for day trippers to comprehend our lifestyle, we are oftentimes peaking at 1 or 2am!

It's my guess that the police failed to comprehend this guy was dead asleep when they knocked and kicked in his door that day, rudely awaking him, confused, perhaps he thought he was in Iraq, or he was being the victim of a house invasion. Bang-bang-bang! Oops!

Think about, if this happened to you dead asleep, conversely, in the middle of the night and you had a gun at your nightstand!

Latest, he's got himself a good lawyer and I wish him the best!

What do you think? Do you think he'll get off, is he guilty, innocent?

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Old 01-11-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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Hmm, tough call. I don't think he will get off. But the police messed up here, six officers shot? Not one responded to take out the shooter?

This situation could have been avoided with better police work. Waiting until the suspect came out of the home to go to work, obviously he has been watched prior to the "raid".

People are allowed to have guns in the US. Veterans have been trained to respond with deadly force, and that type of training is not easily "deprogrammed". People with mental health problems don't need to seek treatment. I believe many vets dont take advantage of mental health services, because they are afraid their guns will be taken away.
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Old 01-11-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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Hmm, very tough to determine - why would there need to be 6 officers against 1 person - I have to presume they had been watching him? And if so, they had to know his routine and that being the case, why would they have waited so long knowing he was undoubtedly sleeping.

I am wondering if there is not more to this story - I think the police work may not have been up to par - however, it is also a tragedy about what happened to all the officers too.

Don't know if I would want to be on that jury either.
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Old 01-11-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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After a big initial article on this tragic shooting in the paper, the second article was very limited, and there's been no additional stories forthcoming, I'm getting the impression that, with some embarrassment and face-saving, the police department wants this incident to slowly fade away, perhaps, as not to rile the legalize marijuana/medical marijuana advocates.

I was hoping to gain more insights from the Salt Lake City/Utah forums, but all is strangely quiet there as well. I was expecting a fiery, never-ending thread on this incident on that forum, but where is it?
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Cedar City, Utah
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After a big initial article on this tragic shooting in the paper, the second article was very limited, and there's been no additional stories forthcoming, I'm getting the impression that, with some embarrassment and face-saving, the police department wants this incident to slowly fade away, perhaps, as not to rile the legalize marijuana/medical marijuana advocates.

I was hoping to gain more insights from the Salt Lake City/Utah forums, but all is strangely quiet there as well. I was expecting a fiery, never-ending thread on this incident on that forum, but where is it?
Being from Utah, it seems to be the top story on the news every night, however no details are given as to how this whole thing transpired. I am thinking the p.department wants it to go away also. There are alot of unanswered questions. My first one was why 6 officers? Sounds like this wasn't planned out very well.

Maybe the reason no one is discussing it in the Utah forums, is because no one really knows much about it.

Because it was a police officer that died, I highly doubt that Matthew will get off. I feel bad for the officer that died, but also should this kid spend the rest of his life in prison, because they stormed his house and he was caught off guard and reacted. All because of some marajuana? Or maybe there is more to the story...probably but no one is filling us in.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Say he does end up going to prison, and knowing the hierarchy of prisoners, child molesters at the bottom, police/judge shooters/killers at the top, I'm sure he'll be treated like a King, lots of autographs to sign, his commissary account will never be lacking for funds.

In the article I read, the brother of the deceased, described him as an andrenaline junkie, and he dreamed his entire life of becoming a narcotics officer.

If some nationally famous lawyer comes in to defend Mathews, like Gerry Spence from nighboring Wyoming, that will make for one interesting trial!
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:03 AM
 
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What do you think? Do you think he'll get off, is he guilty, innocent?
My guess is they'll throw the book at him because of a dead officer. He should be acquitted. Anyone that busts into a home without showing a search warrant and properly identifying themselves as police should be subject to being shot.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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There is alot of controversy about "No-Knock" Search Warrants...cops think they are good, because it does not give criminals time to put stuff away, or get armed.

I am with Bideshi on this one, you storm into my home, screaming...you are gonna get shot first, questions later...with these days of people doing so many home invasions...how am I supposed to know you are cops?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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My guess is they'll throw the book at him because of a dead officer. He should be acquitted. Anyone that busts into a home without showing a search warrant and properly identifying themselves as police should be subject to being shot.
With no knock warrants, the Police announce their presence loudly, over and over, from room to room, they don't just kick the door in and thrash around in the dark. They have to do this for both safety and liability reasons.

Edited to Add: It appears that this wasn't a "No knock" search warrant, from what I've read, PD knocked and announced.

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Old 01-13-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Say he does end up going to prison, and knowing the hierarchy of prisoners, child molesters at the bottom, police/judge shooters/killers at the top, I'm sure he'll be treated like a King, lots of autographs to sign, his commissary account will never be lacking for funds.
That's not always the case, jail/prison is a tricky place, just because you killed a cop, doesn't mean you're gonna pull rank on AB or anyone like that.

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