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Old 01-21-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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If one used that slightly invasive birth control measure [I think I brought it up in one of my threads?], some small rod-like instrument that is inserted into an arm and it is a birth control measure that works up until 3 - 4 years - at which point either a new one is inserted and/or, perhaps, that woman is in a better frame of mind, maybe some parenting classes, counseling, whatever, so she would no longer be a threat to herself, let alone to children.

One can reverse a tubal; however, it is a big procedure, especially as opposed to having the tubal. There are several articles re: tubal reversal:

Reverse Tubal Ligation - Sterilization Reversal
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:56 PM
 
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This is probably a better article regarding tubal reversal - point being, it can be done, although far more invasive of a procedure.

And, one can also have in vitro if they have had a tubal to there are options...however, what is most important, I think, in this thread, is to have some kind of serious consequence to a mom who murders her child/children.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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If one used that slightly invasive birth control measure [I think I brought it up in one of my threads?], some small rod-like instrument that is inserted into an arm and it is a birth control measure that works up until 3 - 4 years - at which point either a new one is inserted and/or, perhaps, that woman is in a better frame of mind, maybe some parenting classes, counseling, whatever, so she would no longer be a threat to herself, let alone to children.

One can reverse a tubal; however, it is a big procedure, especially as opposed to having the tubal. There are several articles re: tubal reversal:

Reverse Tubal Ligation - Sterilization Reversal
I thought the tubal ligation reversals were not always successful. The things they stick in your arm are just delivery systems for hormones, which can have bad side effects. At least this was my understanding years back.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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And, one can also have in vitro if they have had a tubal to there are options...however, what is most important, I think, in this thread, is to have some kind of serious consequence to a mom who murders her child/children.
I don't think a woman has to have a kid these days if she finds herself pregnant, so I do not understand waiting until after the delivery to kill it.

Now, not everyone should have children and some woman don't find out that they are not suited for motherhood until it's too late and by then it is a 17 or so year sentence for them, which must seem like a lifetime.

So, there should be a place these bad mothers can leave these children which is better than killing them, no? I know grandmothers often get stuck with that job.
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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In our state we have the Infant Safe Haven Law ... a baby can be left at a hospital, church or police dept. Anonymity for the parent or agent of the parent is expressly guaranteed. If they leave it at the police station or church the baby is taken to the hospital to be checked out.

DSS then takes over and the baby is placed in a pre-adoptive home. They then petition the court for termination of the birth parentís parental rights in order that the infant can be adopted.

I don't think this is a bad deal and DSS has already investigated the pre-adoptive homes and the people are just on hold waiting for a child. It is not shuffling the baby through the foster care system but a real home. It sure beats murdering an infant.
We have a similar law in New Jersey. We had a case where two well-to-do college kids hid a pregnancy, then the girl gave birth in a motel and the boy tossed the baby into a Dumpster behind the motel. The only reason they were found out was because they didn't have enough sense to realize she hadn't passed the afterbirth. She was bleeding and collapsed at school and was taken to a hospital where they determined she had recently given birth.

I believe the law was passed after that case. Not long afterward, a teenage boy walked into a hospital with a baby wrapped in a towel that he said he'd found in a park. They let him leave the baby, no questions asked, but it was obvious that he was the father or somehow involved, as the towel around the baby was dry and it had been raining the night before. That one had a happier ending. The baby's mother's family claimed the baby and raised it.
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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I don't think a woman has to have a kid these days if she finds herself pregnant, so I do not understand waiting until after the delivery to kill it.

Now, not everyone should have children and some woman don't find out that they are not suited for motherhood until it's too late and by then it is a 17 or so year sentence for them, which must seem like a lifetime.

So, there should be a place these bad mothers can leave these children which is better than killing them, no? I know grandmothers often get stuck with that job.
I don't think the mothers who kill their infants are in any sort of rational state of mind that they'd be thinking clearly enough to leave their children somewhere that they could be saved.

They seem to be in denial of some sort and just trying to get rid of "evidence".
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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I don't think the mothers who kill their infants are in any sort of rational state of mind that they'd be thinking clearly enough to leave their children somewhere that they could be saved.

They seem to be in denial of some sort and just trying to get rid of "evidence".
I don't know if the kids know the law in their state, that they are legally able to leave the kid somewhere.

There are the cases, as well, when a mom of a young kid just decides she can't cope with her child or children anymore and kills them. Should older children also have a provision in the law for them?

You hear sometimes of these cases in which the child is taking drugs and completely out of control and nothing that the parent has tried has met with success. In some instances the parent is responsible for the behavior of the child until the teens. The parent pleads with the police and child protective services to no avail. Then it escalates even further.

Perhaps there are fewer of such cases these days because more children are actually planned for and wanted. I do think there should be some programs for parents and kids if there are problems, to catch things early on when intervention might be able to accomplish something.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Health | Bed-sharing deaths of infants persist despite safety warnings | Seattle Times Newspaper

. . . infant deaths blamed on accidental strangulation and suffocation in bed quadrupled from 1984 to 2004.

A person might wonder if there is a back story in some of these cases.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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If only there was some medication for these women that would switch on when they are about to do this, to make a simple phone call and give these babies to someone who will love them.
I believe this problem would go away almost completely if that option were really open to women. It just isn't. If it were there, they would use it. In my state, for instance, you get penalized for voluntarily handing your kids over to foster care -- you have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket for the privilege. If the state takes them away against your will that's not true, but that won't happen unless you have already done something so bad to the kids that the damage may not be repairable.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Health | Bed-sharing deaths of infants persist despite safety warnings | Seattle Times Newspaper

. . . infant deaths blamed on accidental strangulation and suffocation in bed quadrupled from 1984 to 2004.

A person might wonder if there is a back story in some of these cases.
The backstory is usually that the parents haven't had basic safety training in relation to their babies, and they don't realize how small children can be sucked down into sofa cushions, smothered by pillows in their cribs, or rolled over by a sibling or parent sleeping next to them.

Of course, not every death that's ruled an accident is an accident.
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