South Bronx was not burning anymore, in 1990 it was literally bleeding... (criminal, justice)

[TBCasino]

[dynimagelv]

I couldn't read that on a BET!!!!!

[Cliffie]

New Orleans, I believe, at this moment has the highest homicide rate in the country, but as a worldwide contender is trailing at #21, or was it #28? Mexico has 5 of the 10 cities in the world with the highest murder rates in the whole world, largely due to the drug war which has finally pushed Juarez (with its atrocious level of serial murders of women and girls) out the #1 slot for that single country.

Honduras is currently #1 of all countries for murder.

[Laborant]

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

How are the following nycha housing developments in terms of crime and being dangerous

I believe that data for those particular streets/projects can be found only at NYPD headquarters, so I'm sorry but I can't assist you on this one.

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

HOW ABOUT PHILADELPHIA PARTICULARLY NORTH PHILADELPHIA KENSINGTON, WEST PHILADELPHIA, SOUTHWEST PHILADELPHIA, POINT BREEZE GRAYS FERRY WERE THESE AS BAD AS THE SOUTH BRONX.

Philadelphia murder rate peaked in 1990 at 31.5 (503 murders) when it's population was around 1 586 000. Meanwhile NYC area of Bronx - Manhattan - Brooklyn had at it's murder peak 1921 murders when population of that area was around 4 992 000 (MR 38.5). If we take in account that crime structure of the east coast corridor (NYC, Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia...) was almost the same (crime was equivalently spreaded around the cities), my guess is that NYC area produced worst crime neighborhoods than Philly at its crime peak (& those neighborhoods were probably located in South Bronx).

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

I READ A ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT PHILADELPHIA CURRENTLY AS OF DECEMBER 2011 HAD A MURDER RATE OF 20.7 PER 100.000. THE NEXT CLOSEST CITY IN TERMS OF MURDER WAS CHICAGO AT 15.7 PER 100.000 . DALLAS FOLLOWED WITH A MURDER RATE OF 10,9 PER 100.000. THE ARTICLE ON COMPARED THE TOP 10 LARGEST CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. THE ARTICLE WENT ON TO SAY THAT NEW YORK CITYS MURDER RATE WAS 6.1 PER 100.000 LESS THAN A THIRD OF PHILADELPHIAS. LOS ANGELES MURDER RATE WAS ONLY 7.8 PER 100.000. HOWEVER THE ARTICLE ALSO STATED THAT THREE CITIES WHO WERE NOT AMONG THE TEN LARGEST HAD HIGHER MURDER RATES THAN PHILADELPHIA. THESE CITIES WERE DETROIT NEW ORLEANS AND ST LOUIS MISSOURI.

Today, New York is total different city, so you're probably right on this one, but my discussion is based on New York City in 90's so that part of your post doesn't touch the point of my thread.

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

IN TERMS OF SMALL CITIES I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE BRONX LOOKED LIKE DISNEY LAND COMPARED TO CAMDEN NEW JERSEY, RICHMOND CALIFORNIA, BALTIMORE MARYLAND, WASHINGTON DC MIAMI FLORIDA, EAST ST LOUIS, IRVINGTON, NEWARK, FLINT MICHIGAN, SAGINAW MICHIGAN MEMPHIS TN, LITTLE ROCK, SAN BERNARDINO, STOCKTON, SALINAS, RICHMOND VA, KANSAS CITY KS KANSAS CITY MO COMPTON CA, TRENTON NJ APOLOKA FL GARY IN AND MANY OTHERS.

Today it maybe is looking like disneyland compared to many (not all) of those cities, but in the 90's its worst parts looked at least the same or even worst than worst parts in cities you mentioned. You can bet on that.

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE WORST AREA OF THE BRONX OR BROOKLYN WOULD IT COMPARE TO ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF MURDER RATES. i KNOW NYC IS SUCH A LARGE CITY MADE UP OF 5 BOROUGHS SO ITS REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE DUE TO POPULATION NUMBERS BUT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN ESPECIALLY IN TODAYS TIMES IN THE HOODS OF SOUTH BRONX AND BROOKLYN DO THEY COMPETE IN TERMS OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEAN STREETS OF THE WORST PARTS OF PHILLY AND CAMDEN. JUST CURIOUS. I ALWAYS HEAR PEOPLE SAY BROWNSVILLE EAST NEW YORK, SOUTH BRONX ARE REAL BAD BUT WHENEVER I LOOK AT THE CRIME RATES NYC MURDER RATE IS EXTREMELY LOW. AND WHEN I LOOK IN THE NEW YORK TIMES CRIME SECTION FOR THE BOROUGHS YOU NEVER READ THE AMOUNT OF CRIME AS YOU WOULD SAY COMPARED TO READING THE PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS OR BALTIMORE SUN OR COURIER POST WHICH COVERS SOUTH JERSEY ESPECIALLY CAMDEN. I THOUGHT NEW YORK CITY DIDNT REALLY HAVE ANY REALLY REALLY DANGEROUS AREAS WITH HIGH MURDER RATES AND CRIME ANYMORE. TV DOCUMENTARYS ACT LIKE THE BRONX IS A WONDERFUL CITY NOW AND HOW BROOKLYNS MADE UP OF TONS OF RICH YUPPIES AND BROWNSTONES. ... WHEN I GO ON THE INTERNET AND LOOK AT PICTURES OF BROWNSVILLE AND EAST NEW YORK AND THEN GO AND LOOK AT PICTURES OF HOODS IN PHILLY AND CAMDEN. BROWNSVILLE AND EAST NEW YORK LOOK KINDA NICE. ... BUT IS THE SO CALLED BAD PARTS OF THE 5 BOROUGHS OF NY AS BAD AS THE WORST PARTS OF CAMDEN , PHILLY, TRENTON, IRVINGTON, NEWARK, BALTIMORE, WASHINGTON DC ETC...

Today, they don't (maybe Brownsville can with Trenton or Irvington). Now, NYC is much safer area, so the worst parts of it can't compare with the worst parts of Philly & Camden. But as I say, nowdays condition aren't the point of my thread.

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

NOT TRYING TO PUT NEW YORK CITY DOWN . NOT HAVING HIGH CRIME AND MURDER IS GREAT AND I PRAY THAT CRIME WILL DIMINSH EVEN MORE.

Well, I think the continuing of that trend is something, what we all want to see in the future days.

Originally Posted by sandsharkboy

JUST WAS WONDERING BECAUSE ALOT OF GUYS I TALK TO ACT LIKE BROOKLYN IS SO GHETTO.

Those areas are known for being dangerous because of previous "bad, rough days". +Mainstream in HipHop music made them look hard, so it will take some more time, when general population will realize, that now those parts of NYC are pretty good areas & not so crime concentrated as they used to be.

I hope this will help you in any way. Thanks for posting & b good.

Originally Posted by Cliffie

New Orleans, I believe, at this moment has the highest homicide rate in the country, but as a worldwide contender is trailing at #21, or was it #28?.

Yes, New Orleans has the highest HR in USA (in section of cities with population more than 250 000), but as a worldwide contender it is at 21st position.

Originally Posted by Cliffie

... which has finally pushed Juarez (with its atrocious level of serial murders of women and girls) out the #1 slot for that single country.

That's not true. Juarez murder rate is still leading in Mexico but worldwide it is 2nd.
But I think, that Juarez is still most dangerous city, because it had 834 murders more than San Pedro Sula with almost the same murder rate.

[dculross]

Originally Posted by Laborant

Wassup everyone?

I've been researching USA murder rates for 5yrs and I came to interesting conclusion...

I think South Bronx in 1990 was the worst crime area in USA modern history...

If we combine those numbers that SuperMario in topic about 2011 NYC precinct murders wrote, then South Bronx 1990 murder rate was 99.3/100 000 (478 murders - population 481 421, Happy Land arson fire included)...

interesting topic but the happy land arson incident shouldn't be included in your stats. instances of mass murder on that large of a scale are typically excluded from murder rate calculations because it would skew the data. for instance, the murder rate for nyc in 2001 didn't include the sept 11th victims.

[Laborant]

Originally Posted by dculross

interesting topic but the happy land arson incident shouldn't be included in your stats. instances of mass murder on that large of a scale are typically excluded from murder rate calculations because it would skew the data. for instance, the murder rate for nyc in 2001 didn't include the sept 11th victims.

Yeah, but in Ciudad Juarez, there are also mass slayings of 30-40 individuals, & all of them are counted in stats... Because those tipes of murders are in nature of Juarez crime.

South Bronx was also known for skyrocketing rate of arson fires, which many times resulted in 10 or more victims, that's why i think this fire should be included in stats (it was included in NYC overall stats, thats why 1990 official murder toll is 91 victims higher than MT in '91... but of course that's great dilemma over there, & I would like to hear some more opinions)...

Meanwhile NYC was not known for terrorist attacks, & that attack was single incident in many years, that's why it isn't included in crime data.

But anyway, thanks for posting.

[TBCasino]

Originally Posted by Laborant

South Bronx was also known for skyrocketing rate of arson fires, which many times resulted in 10 or more victims, that's why i think this fire should be included in stats (it was included in NYC overall stats, thats why 1990 official murder toll is 91 victims higher than MT in '91... but of course that's great dilemma over there, & I would like to hear some more opinions)...

How many times, is "many times" and what exact time period are we talking about?

[Laborant]

Originally Posted by TBCasino

How many times, is "many times" and what exact time period are we talking about?

I don't know how many times, beacuse i don't have stats for that... Time period we are talking about is 1970-1985...

[TBCasino]

Originally Posted by Laborant

I don't know how many times, beacuse i don't have stats for that... Time period we are talking about is 1970-1985...

The reason I ask is, I don't remember 10 or more people dying in arson fires in the South Bronx "many times". I grew up there, those types of events would've stuck out had they been happening many times.

[whitlock]

Originally Posted by dculross

interesting topic but the happy land arson incident shouldn't be included in your stats. instances of mass murder on that large of a scale are typically excluded from murder rate calculations because it would skew the data. for instance, the murder rate for nyc in 2001 didn't include the sept 11th victims.

The 87 Happy Land arson victims are officially included in the 1990 murder rate for the 48 precinct.