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Old 01-26-2012, 03:41 AM
 
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Wassup everyone?

I've been researching USA murder rates for 5yrs and I came to interesting conclusion...

I think South Bronx in 1990 was the worst crime area in USA modern history...

If we combine those numbers that SuperMario in topic about 2011 NYC precinct murders wrote, then South Bronx 1990 murder rate was 99.3/100 000 (478 murders - population 481 421, Happy Land arson fire included)...

This beats similar populated murder capitals like New Orleans (1994, MR 85.8, 421 killings), Washington (1991, MR 81, 479 killings)...

... & Los Angeles (1992 murder rate 30.3), NYC (1990 murder rate 30.7)...
... Chicago (1992 murder rate 34), NYC (1990 Bronx - Manhattan - Brooklyn area: population 4 991 989, 1921 murders (murder rate 38.5).

Only Detroit was somehove worse than Bronx though it had in 1991 murder rate 60.3 - population aprox. 1 020 303 (Bronx had 54.2 in 1990 - population 1 203 789) but I can bet that in Bronx existet concluded area of Detroit population that had the same or even higher murder toll...
If not that, 2nd factor that can confirm my theory is murders per square mile: Detroit had 4.43 slayings per square mile, Bronx had 15.55 murders...

Other cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Gary, Miami, Flint, Watts, Englewood (Chicago), Atlanta... can be overcomed if we divide NYC (especially Bronx) in smaller concluded areas...

So, what do you think about it?
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Not sure if you read this thread. I rememebred seeing it. I have no comments though

South Bronx vs. Chicago Hoods
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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Not sure if you read this thread. I rememebred seeing it. I have no comments though

South Bronx vs. Chicago Hoods
Discussion in this topic is based on nowdays South Bronx, so that isn't the point of my thread.
Thanks for help anyway.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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I actually think East Palo Alto had a higher murder rate than S. Bronx at that time.
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:13 PM
 
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I actually think East Palo Alto had a higher murder rate than S. Bronx at that time.
Yes, East Palo Alto had higher murder rate but that was an area with population only about 25 000 at its murder rate peak (1992). I bet that we could find a concluded area of the same population in South Bronx with even higher murder toll.
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:40 PM
 
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Wassup everyone?

So, what do you think about it?
Try to find a copy of Esquire from the late summer of 1977 in a good library, and read the cover story "Savage Skulls".

The tragedy has been with us for generations, and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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I'd have to look up the exact figures, but I remember reading that Gary had something like 120 murders in a single year in the 1990's when its 1990 Census population was 116,000.
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:34 AM
 
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Try to find a copy of Esquire from the late summer of 1977 in a good library, and read the cover story "Savage Skulls".

The tragedy has been with us for generations, and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.
Yeah, I've watched documentary 80 Blocks From Tiffany's which was recorded in '79 & inspired by that cover story. It was damn good for so low budged they had.
But anyway good one, thanks for help

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I'd have to look up the exact figures, but I remember reading that Gary had something like 120 murders in a single year in the 1990's when its 1990 Census population was 116,000.
Nah, you're wrong on this one. Garys murders peaked in '93 (110 murders), when its population was around 112 000 (Mureder rate: 98.2).
Still, South Bronx had higher MR with much larger population.
But, thanks for help anyway.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:25 AM
 
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:48 AM
 
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HOW ABOUT PHILADELPHIA PARTICULARLY NORTH PHILADELPHIA KENSINGTON, WEST PHILADELPHIA, SOUTHWEST PHILADELPHIA, POINT BREEZE GRAYS FERRY WERE THESE AS BAD AS THE SOUTH BRONX . I READ A ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT PHILADELPHIA CURRENTLY AS OF DECEMBER 2011 HAD A MURDER RATE OF 20.7 PER 100.000. THE NEXT CLOSEST CITY IN TERMS OF MURDER WAS CHICAGO AT 15.7 PER 100.000 . DALLAS FOLLOWED WITH A MURDER RATE OF 10,9 PER 100.000. THE ARTICLE ON COMPARED THE TOP 10 LARGEST CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. THE ARTICLE WENT ON TO SAY THAT NEW YORK CITYS MURDER RATE WAS 6.1 PER 100.000 LESS THAN A THIRD OF PHILADELPHIAS. LOS ANGELES MURDER RATE WAS ONLY 7.8 PER 100.000. HOWEVER THE ARTICLE ALSO STATED THAT THREE CITIES WHO WERE NOT AMONG THE TEN LARGEST HAD HIGHER MURDER RATES THAN PHILADELPHIA. THESE CITIES WERE DETROIT NEW ORLEANS AND ST LOUIS MISSOURI. IN TERMS OF SMALL CITIES I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE BRONX LOOKED LIKE DISNEY LAND COMPARED TO CAMDEN NEW JERSEY, RICHMOND CALIFORNIA, BALTIMORE MARYLAND, WASHINGTON DC MIAMI FLORIDA, EAST ST LOUIS, IRVINGTON, NEWARK, FLINT MICHIGAN, SAGINAW MICHIGAN MEMPHIS TN, LITTLE ROCK, SAN BERNARDINO, STOCKTON, SALINAS, RICHMOND VA, KANSAS CITY KS KANSAS CITY MO COMPTON CA, TRENTON NJ APOLOKA FL GARY IN AND MANY OTHERS. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE WORST AREA OF THE BRONX OR BROOKLYN WOULD IT COMPARE TO ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF MURDER RATES. i KNOW NYC IS SUCH A LARGE CITY MADE UP OF 5 BOROUGHS SO ITS REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE DUE TO POPULATION NUMBERS BUT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN ESPECIALLY IN TODAYS TIMES IN THE HOODS OF SOUTH BRONX AND BROOKLYN DO THEY COMPETE IN TERMS OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEAN STREETS OF THE WORST PARTS OF PHILLY AND CAMDEN. JUST CURIOUS . I ALWAYS HEAR PEOPLE SAY BROWNSVILLE EAST NEW YORK, SOUTH BRONX ARE REAL BAD BUT WHENEVER I LOOK AT THE CRIME RATES NYC MURDER RATE IS EXTREMELY LOW. AND WHEN I LOOK IN THE NEW YORK TIMES CRIME SECTION FOR THE BOROUGHS YOU NEVER READ THE AMOUNT OF CRIME AS YOU WOULD SAY COMPARED TO READING THE PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS OR BALTIMORE SUN OR COURIER POST WHICH COVERS SOUTH JERSEY ESPECIALLY CAMDEN. I THOUGHT NEW YORK CITY DIDNT REALLY HAVE ANY REALLY REALLY DANGEROUS AREAS WITH HIGH MURDER RATES AND CRIME ANYMORE. TV DOCUMENTARYS ACT LIKE THE BRONX IS A WONDERFUL CITY NOW AND HOW BROOKLYNS MADE UP OF TONS OF RICH YUPPIES AND BROWNSTONES. NOT TRYING TO PUT NEW YORK CITY DOWN . NOT HAVING HIGH CRIME AND MURDER IS GREAT AND I PRAY THAT CRIME WILL DIMINSH EVEN MORE. JUST WAS WONDERING BECAUSE ALOT OF GUYS I TALK TO ACT LIKE BROOKLYN IS SO GHETTO. WHEN I GO ON THE INTERNET AND LOOK AT PICTURES OF BROWNSVILLE AND EAST NEW YORK AND THEN GO AND LOOK AT PICTURES OF HOODS IN PHILLY AND CAMDEN. BROWNSVILLE AND EAST NEW YORK LOOK KINDA NICE. yOUR INPUT WOULD GREATLY BE APPRECIATED. I LOVE THE CITY OF NY AND WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT IT I KNOW ALL ABOUT THE GREAT PARTS OF THE CITY. I KNOW THEY SAY WITH THE GOOD COMES THE BAD BUT IS THE SO CALLED BAD PARTS OF THE 5 BOROUGHS OF NY AS BAD AS THE WORST PARTS OF CAMDEN , PHILLY, TRENTON, IRVINGTON, NEWARK, BALTIMORE, WASHINGTON DC ETC... WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION ON THE MATTER SINCE YOU SEEM LIKE A REALLY SMART GUY WHO KNOWS ALOT ABOUT THE EMPIRE STATE. WOULD LOVE TO GAIN SOME KNOWLEDGE AND WORDS OF WISDOM IN TERMS OF THE STATE OF THE UNDERWORLD IN THE BAD PARTS OF NYC .
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