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Old 01-26-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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A 'rough week' for Detroit firefighters after finding two charred bodies Christmas morning in trunk of car as fourth in 7 days | Mail Online

Questions surround death of Grosse Pointe Park woman | Detroit Free Press | freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20120126/NEWS01/201260524/Questions-surround-death-of-Grosse-Pointe-Park-woman?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7C s - broken link)

This makes 5 bodies found in cars around the Detroit area in the past few weeks. Is this a pattern, or just a case of bad ideas traveling fast?
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:48 PM
 
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There are, I believe, a number of both physical and societal factors that make Detroit particularly hard to govern -- it didn't "hit the big time" until the invention of the automobile; consequently, doesn't have a large "downtown" and fewer tall buildings than most major cities. Urban transit is harder to financ under those conditions.

Detroit is also the original home of the fast deal, and short-term thinking -- ever since Henry Ford was getting a lot of his parts from the Dodge brothers and the Briggs family would supply auto bodies to any other manufacturer who needed them.

What happens to business actiity applies to people as well; about forty years ago, a sociology professor (the name "Conant" strikes a note, but I can't find anything to confirm it) did a book on three families (one white-ethnic immigrant, one white and reloctaed from upstate Michigan, and one black family from the south). The lives of all three met, intersected, sometimes clashed, and then separated again, leaving nothing of permamnence.

This seems to be the fate of the entire southeastern quadrant of the lower peninsula -- it booms, grows, and busts, and the short-term thinking comon to politicians as well as families only contributes to the instability.

And remember, just for a second, that a lot of the national health-care controversy began when local insurers, selling to the easily-morphed subcontractors who served the automakers, came up with plans with a shorter focus, narrower scope, and lower price, and began the undercutting that eventually three both Michigan and Ohio Blue Cross/Blue Shield into a crisis.

Yet under all this mess, the resources and capital -- both physical and human -- to start and sustain a new growth cycle are still there. If Detroit is one of the most volatile of our cities, it is also among the most adaptable. The fact that the auto industry grew out of both the carriage-making and foundry complexes that preceded it is proof of that. And let's rmember that the protagonist in the film 8 Mile woked for one of those subcontract stamping operations previously described.

Only Hong Kong comes to mind as a place that runs almost exclusively on "squeeze". You can love or hate it -- you can't kill it -- but it sometimes exacts a terible toll from its citizenry.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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A 'rough week' for Detroit firefighters after finding two charred bodies Christmas morning in trunk of car as fourth in 7 days | Mail Online

Questions surround death of Grosse Pointe Park woman | Detroit Free Press | freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20120126/NEWS01/201260524/Questions-surround-death-of-Grosse-Pointe-Park-woman?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7C s - broken link)

This makes 5 bodies found in cars around the Detroit area in the past few weeks. Is this a pattern, or just a case of bad ideas traveling fast?
Is this an abnormal amount?

I suspect Detroit probably has 250 murders or so a year (down due to population decline) which would be about 5 a week.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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It sounds almost routine for this kind of thing sadly. Last I read in Time Magazine, 70% of murders go unsolved there.
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:09 PM
 
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It sounds almost routine for this kind of thing sadly. Last I read in Time Magazine, 70% of murders go unsolved there.

That's because the mega-crappy local government doesn't even collect property taxes, and they have quite a history of misusing or just "losing" what they do have in the way of funds, so the police force is incredibly thin on the ground. In the Bashara case, at least, they can combine the efforts of the Grosse Pointe Park police which are VERY well-rested compared to the homicide squad in Detroit, counterbalancing the fact that the Pointers have almost no homicide experience.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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The wave of violence continues. I had to laugh yesterday when Mayor Dave Bing came on the radio to protest the killings of 2 children in the space of a couple of weeks; they then put on a local jailbird who said things have gone too far and that people are violating the local behavior code of criminals when they start kiling children and the elderly. Honor among thieves!!!

http://www.freep.com/article/2012022...s-without-guns

I stopped laughing when Angelo Henderson was talking on his "Your Voice" radio show, minutes later, about an 85-year-old man whose leg was broken by thugs as he was coming home from Bible study. Six people ignored him crawling down the road until a good Samaritan came along and gave him a life to safety. Niiiiiiiice.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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The thing in the water in Detroit is probably a corpse floating face down.

Perhaps we should allow Iran to develop nukes if they promise to only target Detroit?
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:18 AM
 
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The thing in the water in Detroit is probably a corpse floating face down.

Perhaps we should allow Iran to develop nukes if they promise to only target Detroit?
Now that is scary ... each morning I wake up and expect to read where Israel has blown Iran off the map.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Well, in the past couple of weeks there have been no new bodies in car trunks. That's something to be grateful for, I guess.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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There are, I believe, a number of both physical and societal factors that make Detroit particularly hard to govern -- it didn't "hit the big time" until the invention of the automobile; consequently, doesn't have a large "downtown" and fewer tall buildings than most major cities. Urban transit is harder to financ under those conditions.

Detroit is also the original home of the fast deal, and short-term thinking -- ever since Henry Ford was getting a lot of his parts from the Dodge brothers and the Briggs family would supply auto bodies to any other manufacturer who needed them.

What happens to business actiity applies to people as well; about forty years ago, a sociology professor (the name "Conant" strikes a note, but I can't find anything to confirm it) did a book on three families (one white-ethnic immigrant, one white and reloctaed from upstate Michigan, and one black family from the south). The lives of all three met, intersected, sometimes clashed, and then separated again, leaving nothing of permamnence.

This seems to be the fate of the entire southeastern quadrant of the lower peninsula -- it booms, grows, and busts, and the short-term thinking comon to politicians as well as families only contributes to the instability.

And remember, just for a second, that a lot of the national health-care controversy began when local insurers, selling to the easily-morphed subcontractors who served the automakers, came up with plans with a shorter focus, narrower scope, and lower price, and began the undercutting that eventually three both Michigan and Ohio Blue Cross/Blue Shield into a crisis.

Yet under all this mess, the resources and capital -- both physical and human -- to start and sustain a new growth cycle are still there. If Detroit is one of the most volatile of our cities, it is also among the most adaptable. The fact that the auto industry grew out of both the carriage-making and foundry complexes that preceded it is proof of that. And let's rmember that the protagonist in the film 8 Mile woked for one of those subcontract stamping operations previously described.

Only Hong Kong comes to mind as a place that runs almost exclusively on "squeeze". You can love or hate it -- you can't kill it -- but it sometimes exacts a terible toll from its citizenry.
Great post 2nd trick OP.

Detroit really has the potential to be a great city. It's probably the most strategically located city in the country, if not world.

It just needs the right long-term/forward-thinking people steering its ship.
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