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Old 02-21-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Why in the name of little green apples would they put a guy with a homicide plan and a named target in an unsecured facility?
Hes in the wrong place, the mans dangerous and belongs in a locked cell.

The doors would have to be unlocked forhim to walkout....maybe. The articles didn't say exactly how it happened.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:24 PM
 
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Obssessive and delusional would be better words.

Mark Chapman who killed John Lennon is a good example.
Chapman was a terrorist more than a celeb stalker.A very sick and evil man but he killed Lennon because as a Fundamentalist Christian he thought Lennon was leading young people away from Christ and into sex and drugs.

He used the technique of stalking but was motivated by ideology.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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Chapman was a terrorist more than a celeb stalker.A very sick and evil man but he killed Lennon because as a Fundamentalist Christian he thought Lennon was leading young people away from Christ and into sex and drugs.

He used the technique of stalking but was motivated by ideology.
I read his entire transcribed interview done from prison. You can find it on line.

He followed, targeted and murdered one person. Chapman is a certified delusional schizophrenic. Hes not a terrrorist or a Christian.

ter·ror·ist

   /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled[ter-er-ist] Show IPA
noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.

2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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I read his entire transcribed interview done from prison. You can find it on line.

He followed, targeted and murdered one person. Chapman is a certified delusional schizophrenic. Hes not a terrrorist or a Christian.
Someone who kills someone because of their religious views is a terrorist. And Chapman is an admitted Evangelical Christian and was before he killed Lennon.

This does not mean that his actions are typical of all Evangelicals any more than the actions of Muslim terrorists are typical of all Muslims.

Anders Behring Breivik more recently was certified as a delusional schizophrenic and declared insane even though the murders he did were clearly political in character. Note that Chapman was declared legally sane.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:13 AM
 
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Note that Chapman was declared legally sane.
He was declared competent to plead guilty.

Thought he was Holden Caulfield from "Catcher in the Rye", the book he had with him when he murdered Lennon.

Prompted by God to commit the murder. Typically schizophrenic.

Heres what his defense lawyer said:

"He told me he was quite enamored of John Lennon. He told me he liked his music, he liked his life-style, he liked him personally, he liked what he stood for. Of course, it crossed my mind that if you admire somebody why did you blow him away? He left his wife and his job, came 6,000 miles to effectuate one single-minded purpose. What the hell conclusion would you draw from that?"
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Prompted by God to commit the murder. Typically schizophrenic.
So was Nidal Hasan "typically schizophrenic"? Scott Roeder? Abdulhakim Muijahid Muhammad? Eric Rudolph? Baruch Goldstein? Alaa Abu Dhein?

Religious terrorists are typically said to have been ordered by God to kill. So are all lone-wolf religious terrorists typically schizophrenics?

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"He told me he was quite enamored of John Lennon. He told me he liked his music, he liked his life-style, he liked him personally, he liked what he stood for.


Before Chapman was "born again"

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Of course, it crossed my mind that if you admire somebody why did you blow him away?
For the same reason that ex-smokers are the most anti-smoking people of all.

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He left his wife and his job, came 6,000 miles to effectuate one single-minded purpose. What the hell conclusion would you draw from that?"
That he was a terrorist
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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So was Nidal Hasan "typically schizophrenic"? Scott Roeder? Abdulhakim Muijahid Muhammad? Eric Rudolph? Baruch Goldstein? Alaa Abu Dhein?

Religious terrorists are typically said to have been ordered by God to kill. So are all lone-wolf religious terrorists typically schizophrenics?



Before Chapman was "born again"



For the same reason that ex-smokers are the most anti-smoking people of all.



That he was a terrorist
Theres been much written about Mark Chapmans mental health, what he thought before and after the crime. Depends on what you read and choose to believe.

Prior to the murder his wife thought he was demonically possed.

Since incarceration he was diagnosed and treated for schizophrenia.

Yeah, I wonder how being born again is working for him in prison?

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