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A combo of extreme religion, incompetent husband ( I like that term), hormone fluctuations and probably pre-existing mental illness. I always wonder if there were any sane people around her, would it have changed the outcome? Or, why didn't anyone see?
You forgot the incompetent doctor and health insurance who capped her in-patient days. The facility she was in admitted she wasn't healthy enough to be released, but their hands were tied by the health insurance. What they should have done was filed an emergency petition with the court for an involuntary commitment which would have been paid for by the State of TX.
Great. I am sorry, kill five kids, you should not be out free. Don't matter to me if it was your own kids, or if you are/were crazy. She should be locked up for good. Who knows what could set her off? And she goes on another killing rampage.
"Gee, sorry, yeah, we knew she was crazy, but we thought she was better."
Who knows what she could do? Or what could set her off? Seeing a baby in a cart at Wal-Mart, she could slit its throat with a knife from the culinary section. No one knows what she is capable of, this woman drowned her own kids. Don't tell me is not a danger to society. No one thought she would kill her kids either.
I read on article that claims she has a standing job offer at some sort of animal clinic ..... apparently she just loves working with animals. Now would I bring one of my animals to a veterinary practice that employed her .... I don't think so . " Gee, Minethatbird, you dog was ill and I felt like it wasn't progressing sufficiently so I decided to send him to God."
Let's not even go to what I'd think of having that creature live next door. Maybe her attorney Mr Parnham can have her live in his house.
Great. I am sorry, kill five kids, you should not be out free. Don't matter to me if it was your own kids, or if you are/were crazy. She should be locked up for good. Who knows what could set her off? And she goes on another killing rampage.
"Gee, sorry, yeah, we knew she was crazy, but we thought she was better."
Who knows what she could do? Or what could set her off? Seeing a baby in a cart at Wal-Mart, she could slit its throat with a knife from the culinary section. No one knows what she is capable of, this woman drowned her own kids. Don't tell me is not a danger to society. No one thought she would kill her kids either.
I don't think you can compare radical fundie Christianity with mainstream religion. One breeds fanatics and one fosters spiritual growth within a normal life.
I don't think, after therapy, she will have that absolute and unquestioning obedience to another man.
She probably will not want more kids, at 48 now, or she can't have any, so postpartum depression is also out of the question.
So, I think the influences and pressures that triggered her horrid behavior are pretty much controllable and out of the picture. Moreso than those of some men who murder and are let out.
You forgot the incompetent doctor and health insurance who capped her in-patient days. The facility she was in admitted she wasn't healthy enough to be released, but their hands were tied by the health insurance. What they should have done was filed an emergency petition with the court for an involuntary commitment which would have been paid for by the State of TX.
Didn't the religious beliefs frown on medication?
I think I remember that the doctor or the system was hesitant to make a case that was counter to their religious beliefs. I may be wrong, it was so long ago.
Oh, for goodness sake.
She killed her beautiful children.
Why all the pity for this killer?
Because some of us have been members of dogmatic and restrictive religions.
Some of us have had husbands/boyfriends who were controlling and tried to control our minds.
Some of us have had difficult to control mood swings because of hormones.
Now, ramp all of that up really high, all together, and give us little money and a housefull of kids to care for, and it frightens us/me to think of what might happen.
What I pity, is that on the road back to sanity she faces the horrific thing that she did.
It is easier to find compassion for her than that woman who killed her kids because she was after a man, not her husband, who did not want any. There are a lot of worse murderers to hate.
I don't think you can compare radical fundie Christianity with mainstream religion. One breeds fanatics and one fosters spiritual growth within a normal life.
I don't think, after therapy, she will have that absolute and unquestioning obedience to another man.
She probably will not want more kids, at 48 now, or she can't have any, so postpartum depression is also out of the question.
So, I think the influences and pressures that triggered her horrid behavior are pretty much controllable and out of the picture. Moreso than those of some men who murder and are let out.
I agree, Golden Grain. Radical fundamentalist Christianity is poisonous.
I also happen to think that many people who practice it, are mentally imbalanced, and need structure. They actively seek a brand of religion that regulates every facet of their lives.
This type of concrete thinking is a feature of schizophrenia. Not every fundie is schizophrenic, but many have schitzotypal features, or are schitzoid. They have a complete inability to see shades of gray.
Yates was a perpetrator and a victim. I am inclined to have mercy on her, yet I am not sure that she could ever function on her own completely, without being a banger too herself or others.
As far as going to church, I am not sue why she can't attend services in the institution. Usually they have something like a chapel available.
I am also thinking that church was part of the problem. Could this mean she is symptomatic once again?
Didn't the religious beliefs frown on medication?
I think I remember that the doctor or the system was hesitant to make a case that was counter to their religious beliefs. I may be wrong, it was so long ago.
In my experience with fundie Christians, and unfortunatly, I have had a lot; they frown on seeking "counsel from the ungodly" and generally frown on or are cautious of, psychiatrists, and see psychiatry as a religion, or in competition with religion. The ones I knew, did not resort first to seeking competent mental health help first. They would wait until this became extreme, and even then; seek out first "christian Counselors", who may not have proper credentials. The generally do not prescribe meds.
By the time mainstream help is sought, something pretty serious has to have happened, or intervention from the authorities has occurred.
Oh, for goodness sake.
She killed her beautiful children.
Why all the pity for this killer?
Some of us have compassion for her dead children, as well as, for the person who suffered so deeply from mental illness that she took their lives....she will never live a normal life or be free of what she did. What more do you want ?
...snip....This type of concrete thinking is a feature of schizophrenia. Not every fundie is schizophrenic, but many have schitzotypal features, or are schitzoid. They have a complete inability to see shades of gray. (my bold)...snip...
Some on here have an inability to see shades of gray in this situtuation. She is a killer.....that's it......not, she was mentally incompetent, she was incapable of sane thinking, everything pointed to a tragedy waiting to happen.....nope.....
I really doubt Andrea Yates is wanting to get out of this institution, get married and have more children.
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