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Old 03-24-2013, 08:21 PM
 
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Leslie Van Houten. I think out of all the Manson members, she is the one that has shown true remorse, and I believe she is genuinely rehabilitated. The rest are right where they belong.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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Leslie Van Houten. I think out of all the Manson members, she is the one that has shown true remorse, and I believe she is genuinely rehabilitated. The rest are right where they belong.

remorse and rehabilitated should not set a convicted murderer free ( IMHO )
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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Soldiers who were ordered to kill (draft---Korea, Nam, etc.,etc.) and didn't want to.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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remorse and rehabilitated should not set a convicted murderer free ( IMHO )
I believe she has met the legal standard of California for parole. I do not believe she is a threat to society. She has served over 40 years in prison. Given her level of culpability, based on the evidence, I think she has paid her debt to society.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Sympathy only for the ones who kill internet trolls.
second this and the ones who kill pedophiles for sures. Maybe a little for the ones who kill abusive spouses and then get hefty sentences. I would def feel sypathy for someone who killed someone who abused thier child, I don't remember exactly but there was that one case of the nmom who killed a male friend who was molesting her daughter then she got a long sentence and people were like freaking out trying to help her. This was a while ago.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Absolutely.


I don't understand people like Smith. If the kids are too much of a burden, certainly there is a relative somewhere who would take them in. The fathers, maybe? Grandparents?
You know I always wonder this too. But I think in thier minds they are superior. I have a aunt who was a wild party girl who was a horrible mother. We actually took her son when he was 1 year old for 6 months. We offered to take him perm but she refused cuz she had too much pride and did't want the family to look down on her(as if they didn't already). She never changed and he had a horrible upbringing she was one of those moms who would leave her kids home alone to go with a guy. Susan Smith and others like her are just so selfish thier world only exists around them until something horrible happens. I mean she should have even just given them up for adoption they were still so young. I would never have a ounce of sympathy for her.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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Karla Homolka because of her pretty face (and because she went to jail and paid her debt to society)
OK OK spare tar and feathers, I'm splitting.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:31 AM
 
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There was a guy yesterday in Toronto who ran a cop over with stolen snow plow a couple of years ago. He was found to be not guilty and will be committed to a mental institution. I looked at the photos of the guy when this first happened...He went from a healthy handsome middle class white guy to a homeless nut in the period of a few months..I am wondering what caused him to snap or break down...I wonder if he was a dutiful father and husband and got raked over the coals in the family law system? I wonder if he was separated through the force of the law from his children- I wonder what abuse he may have taken...If this guy was driven nuts and happened to kill a cop..Then yes I feel sorry for him.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:57 AM
 
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I don't know.... I believe serial killers and particularly spree killers -who act on impulse- although their crimes are horrific , as most of them are completely nuts, are not the worse. For instance Harris and Kleebold at Columbine : they were harassed by the others, and as they were nuts, they took revenge in killing them. But they knew very well it was also the end for them, and committed suicide on the spot. No sympathy for sure, but a degree of empathy because they were mere tools in a chain of events , I believe their parents and the high school has also a degree of responsability.
The worse killers whose acts for me are unredeeming and for whom I cannot feel a shed of sympathy are the cold, calculating killers like a Scott Peterson. He only killed two people (his fiancée and stillborn baby) but for me he is a worse monster than a Bubdy or a Dahmer.
Did someone watch Woody Allen's "Match Point" : that movie depicts exactly the same type of callous personality, whose ego is boundless and who is readfy to kill only to enhance his carreer and his way of life. Deep sociopaths (not psychopaths), charmers , socially often on top.
In the movie, the guy is not caught, but fortunately in real life Scott Peterson sits in Death Row. I hope he will be executed soon.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Karla Homolka because of her pretty face (and because she went to jail and paid her debt to society)
OK OK spare tar and feathers, I'm splitting.
No tar and feathers here ... it's just this particular crime makes me sick.

I guess if you are pretty, 12 years in prison for raping and killing her own 15 year old sister ... in addition to raping and killing 15 year old Leslie Mahaffy and 16 year old Kristen French ... that would be 4 years for each one ... is that paying a debt to society? Bernardo received life in prison without parole for at least 25 years. There is a possibility he raped as many as 30 women.

Karla Homolka and her husband Paul Bernardo held Leslie hostage 24 hours sexually assaulting her over and over video recording the assaults. The video shows both participated in the assaults. Then ... they just killed her!!

Kristen they held for three days sexually assaulting and torturing her. Then ... they just killed her.

The young sister was a virgin sacrifice Karla gave to her husband Bernardo. Karla doped her with animal tranquilizers ... then they both raped her. Tammy choked on her own vomit and died.

Karla is free now even though she has had to change her name twice ... married with three children and living in Guadeloupe. Tammy, Leslie and Kristen are dead ... young teenagers tortured, raped and killed.
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