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Old 12-12-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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Maybe Aileen Wuornos, who had an awful lot of anger built up inside and a family history of mental illness. I don't think she was killing for fun. Manson is just batsh!t crazy.


I was going to say Aileen as well.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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This is a bad one and I'm ashamed to feel any sympathy for this individual. Joseph Edward Duncan who kidnapped 2 siblings, murdered the boy and eventually was found with the girl (he had murdered their whole family in the kidnapping). I read excerpts from his blog when the arrest was in the news and this was clearly a man tortured by unstoppable inner demons. Here and there you could see he wanted to overcome the monster inside him but obviously he couldn't. I will be glad the day he's executed but it's a sad thing he was born a monster. It makes you wonder how many others like him are out there.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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I guess it shows that despite what monsters these killers were, some of them still retained that humanity, and its more that humanity that you feel for. It's like the monster has swallowed up a little tiny human being who is lost there somewhere in the darkness, never to have come out.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:19 PM
 
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I'll admit that a part of me weeps for Andrea Yates, as well as for the children she killed.

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This is a bad one and I'm ashamed to feel any sympathy for this individual. Joseph Edward Duncan who kidnapped 2 siblings, murdered the boy and eventually was found with the girl (he had murdered their whole family in the kidnapping). I read excerpts from his blog when the arrest was in the news and this was clearly a man tortured by unstoppable inner demons. Here and there you could see he wanted to overcome the monster inside him but obviously he couldn't. I will be glad the day he's executed but it's a sad thing he was born a monster. It makes you wonder how many others like him are out there.
It makes me think maybe we need to go back to the days of involuntary institutionalization for the mentally ill.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Betty Broderick and Aileen Wournos. Also, there was a teenager who had been horribly abused by a real bully of a father who finally killed him. I think in the 80s. The judge showed not one bit of sympathy for this kid. He was given the death penalty but it was overturned.

He is still in prison for life. So he went from one prison to another.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:23 PM
 
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This is a bad one and I'm ashamed to feel any sympathy for this individual. Joseph Edward Duncan who kidnapped 2 siblings, murdered the boy and eventually was found with the girl (he had murdered their whole family in the kidnapping). I read excerpts from his blog when the arrest was in the news and this was clearly a man tortured by unstoppable inner demons. Here and there you could see he wanted to overcome the monster inside him but obviously he couldn't. I will be glad the day he's executed but it's a sad thing he was born a monster. It makes you wonder how many others like him are out there.
That's one that I would pull the trigger on myself. The details of his crime against the little boy, while forcing the sister to watch were quite possibly the most horrific thing I've ever read. I read his blog too. He only felt sorry for himself. You are of course, entitled to your feelings and you are probably a very good person for having that much compassion in you.

Someone else mentioned Andrea Yates. That's another crazy person.There is a difference between the nutters and the psychopaths, IMHO.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:12 PM
 
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Sorry. I have met a lot of criminals, and they all had a choice. Even crazy ones. They all took the wrong path. Lots of people have bad childhoods, they don't all become serial killers.

I guess, the only one I feel empathy for is Betty Brodrick. Empathy. Not sympathy.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:18 AM
 
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I don't feel that much empathy for Betty Broderick. She was not facing a life of poverty and homelessness without her husband, she was going to live a pretty comfortable lifestyle. She was humiliated because he chose a younger girlfriend over her. She let her ego destroy everyone around her, including her children, whom she should have put first to begin with.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:06 AM
 
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Sorry. I have met a lot of criminals, and they all had a choice. Even crazy ones. They all took the wrong path. Lots of people have bad childhoods, they don't all become serial killers.
No, you're right, they don't all become serial killers. However, I've encountered some people who were so deeply psychotic, or paranoid from schizophrenia, that they were truly not capable of making decisions about right and wrong. (None of them were criminals to the best of my knowledge, just screwed up in general) I think Yates falls into this psychotic category, but I think it's pretty rare.

You are also correct in that a bad childhood does not necessarily have to lead to a life of crime. Gavin De Becker is a perfect example. The Gift of Fear - By Gavin de Becker
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Children who kill an abusive parent. Some are tried as adults, when they are quite young.
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