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Old 12-17-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Northern Illinois
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Re those referenced in the bolded: There's one story that keeps repeating itself that fits that description with little variation. A woman is reported missing by her husband. The story is usually that they had an argument and "she went for a walk". The husband pretends to be heartbroken. He "helps" search for his missing wife.

Meanwhile, everyone over the age of 25 has seen this story play out at least a couple of times before. WE KNOW YOU KILLED HER. WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO SOMEHOW LEAD THE POLICE TO THE BODY. YOUR STORY IS THE SAME ONE WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE--WHY DO YOU THINK WE WILL BELIEVE YOU?

Eventually Mr. Dumbass will break down and confess that he killed his wife during their argument, and usually alcohol is involved. It just amazes me that they think that their story will somehow be deemed different from that of all the other schmoes who did the exact same thing.

The exact thing just happened in a town just north of where we live. In October - husband calls police to report his wife missing (over 24 hours at that point). They were estranged and she had been staying at a friend's house. Hubby gives story that he last saw her around 9PM when she left to "run an errand" - and never returned. I smelled a mouse right away - if she weren't living at their house - how did he know so much about her whereabouts? Why would he let her go "run an errand" alone at that time of night? When he called to report her missing - he had waited more than 24 hours and had a good head start. Her car, cell phone, and bloody paper towels were located shortly. He joined in the search for her body. Fast forward 2-3 weeks...devoted husband was helping to search for her body, her family suspecting nothing and her body is finally found washed up in the river by an off duty fireman just south of our town. She was fully clothed and had been beaten severely. I told my husband - I know he did it - if a stranger had abducted her and raped/robbed her she would not have been fully clothed and her car and effects would have been GONE. GUESS who is currently in jail, charged with her murder after having beaten her to death with a baseball bat and tossed her into the river - her loving, dutiful husband. He has been investigated also for some funny business associated with a business venture of his (no doubt she knew some details) and had been in trouble before and even changed his name. So, another lovely young woman murdered by the man who promised to love and honor her had her life taken and her family denied the pleasure of her love and companionship for the rest of their lives. Gahhhh, and we're supposed to feel sorry for scum like him???? I feel sorry for the idiots who are buffaloed by these artists and whose bleeding hearts can't accept the reality that they are purely evil.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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The exact thing just happened in a town just north of where we live. In October - husband calls police to report his wife missing (over 24 hours at that point). They were estranged and she had been staying at a friend's house. Hubby gives story that he last saw her around 9PM when she left to "run an errand" - and never returned. I smelled a mouse right away - if she weren't living at their house - how did he know so much about her whereabouts? Why would he let her go "run an errand" alone at that time of night? When he called to report her missing - he had waited more than 24 hours and had a good head start. Her car, cell phone, and bloody paper towels were located shortly. He joined in the search for her body. Fast forward 2-3 weeks...devoted husband was helping to search for her body, her family suspecting nothing and her body is finally found washed up in the river by an off duty fireman just south of our town. She was fully clothed and had been beaten severely. I told my husband - I know he did it - if a stranger had abducted her and raped/robbed her she would not have been fully clothed and her car and effects would have been GONE. GUESS who is currently in jail, charged with her murder after having beaten her to death with a baseball bat and tossed her into the river - her loving, dutiful husband. He has been investigated also for some funny business associated with a business venture of his (no doubt she knew some details) and had been in trouble before and even changed his name. So, another lovely young woman murdered by the man who promised to love and honor her had her life taken and her family denied the pleasure of her love and companionship for the rest of their lives. Gahhhh, and we're supposed to feel sorry for scum like him???? I feel sorry for the idiots who are buffaloed by these artists and whose bleeding hearts can't accept the reality that they are purely evil.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's like the same person with a different name and face. Over the years it has just happened again and again.

I remember one on Long Island--it was Christmas Eve. He came home from the bar and they had an argument and "she took a walk to go calm herself down." At midnight. She never came back and he didn't realize it until the next day when he woke up. He helped the police search for her body, which was found in a garbage bag in the woods near their home. Dude, YOU are the only suspect. What kind of crappy husband lets his wife go for a walk at midnight and then goes to bed without knowing if she came back safely. Bad story.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:57 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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The women. When a girl has a horrific childhood and grows up damaged enough to kill, it is a tragedy. When the same thing happens to boys, who cares.

At least that seems to be a popular sentiment on this board.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Australia
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I don't feel sorry for any killer who kills innocent people.

Killers I do have sympathy for: self defense, vigilantes.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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Those with untreated, severe psychiatric illnesses...
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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I can't recall the names of the boys but a few years ago two brothers in their early teens killed their abusive father. A man who was so mean, so feared that the locals stayed away from him, his own father stayed away from him and the boys mother took off to get away from him. After years of taking abuse from him (and having the community know about it but do nothing out of fear) their tipping point came when their little sister told them that their father was starting to molest her.
Imho, when an entire town is scared of a man noone should be surprised when his captive victims find the balls to do what the local authorities were too scared to do.

Also, there is a girl in Iowa who is serving a life sentence for burning down her house and killing her younger siblings in the fire. During the investigation, it was found out that her father/stepfather? was not only raping her but making child porn of her and distributing it. She started the fire to kill her father with no intention of killing her siblings.

Bottomline, when a child kills to escape abuse, the onus really lies on the parents who allowed/participated in the abuse, relatives who knew and/or suspected the abuse but said nothing, and authorities who dropped the ball of protecting victims.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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I do feel empathy for young girls who kill their babies, after hiding their pregnancy. I wonder about the dysfunction of a family where a girl can hide a pregnancy, give birth, say nothing, and be in fear? Denial? Not sure what the reasoning is behind the thought process...but definitely it is something major wrong in a family system when a girl would kill a baby rather than go to her parents for help. And the parents don't notice a pregnant teen in the house. Sure, some girls don't show, but how about not using feminine products for several months? Parents are oblivious? Don't they take their daughters out shopping for clothes? Do they talk to their daughters? Very odd to me.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/10...-newborn-death

Last edited by jasper12; 12-17-2012 at 09:59 PM.. Reason: edit
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Australia
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I always think the girls were sexually abused in those cases.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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hiding a pregnancy sometimes has to do with old cultural stuff, like my mother told me to have an abortion because me having a baby whilst being unmarried would ruin the family name. It's about family honor...so many young girls went away and gave up their babies for that reason. Some parents threaten to kick their daughters out of the house if they "come home pregnant". I didn't tell my mother till I was about 5 months along...and then went and moved away to go have my son so I wouldn't have to be around her. The fear of being kicked out or ostracised may be greater than the love for a baby they never planned. You can't ask for help from parents who refuse to accept your pregnancy. Some girls really are all alone in the world and that calls for some terrible decisions..
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:07 AM
 
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Maggie, that is so sad. Glad you stood up for yourself, you are a lot stronger than the girls who just don't know what to do.

I really think in these cases, courts, prison, is not the answer. Especially in the case I posted the link for, the girl is only 14. Cannot even consent to sex, so how can society hold her responsible for the result of something they say she can't even consent to?

People KNEW this girl was pregnant, and said nothing to her.

She needs counseling, and a new, normal Mom.
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