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Old 12-16-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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Hi Wall Street kid, thanks! Sometimes, I believe, there is a time and place for everything... -- just like this horrific tragedy is bringing out, emotionally and almost viciously, the gun ban controversy, and I trust it will become even more emotional and vicious -- these kids have not even been buried yet. It is raw for everyone -- I am fine with discussion[s];however, perhaps having those conversations peppered with sensitivity is more appropriate at this time too, , even by the NRA

Did you hear about the proposed picketing of the memorial service[s]:

Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church planning to picket - Oklahoma City Top News | Examiner.com

Can you imagine adding this to the carnage?
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Default CNN - Anderson Cooper

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I dont want to fully blame the media here, but when something like this happens, it becomes world famous news, the shooter gets his own wikipedia page, he goes down in infamy as someone who will be never forgotten in society. In other words, the shooter leaves his mark on society and with the boom of social media, internet and quick ways to get information to people gives info to other potential copycat shooters.

I was watching CNN yesterday and Anderson Cooper was saying he wasnt going to mention the shooter by name and then 5 seconds later, on the same channel, Piers Morgan plastered the guy's name in large graphics on the tv set and they had a discussion about this killer and his family.
Wall Street kid -- I too watched the initial Anderson Cooper program[s] and I was truly impressed with how he handled his broadcast - I was impressed that he get emphasizing that he was not going to focus on the gunman; that he was not going to have the gunman go down in history but rather keep the focus on the victims and the families -- he stuck to it -- and he was caring, kind, sensitive and appropriate. I was so impressed with this position that I actually wrote to CNN [comments] about the reporting he did. And, you could see how distressed he was with this tragedy. He did not allow it to turn into 'sensationalism reporting' - good for him. Other reporters can learn from him.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Can we stand back and LOOK at the country next door to the USA, called Canada ?

Both countries started out as colonies, and even today, they are both modern first world countires, with democratically elected Governments, and a capitalistic economy. But that country next door has a completely differrent point of view on guns and their ownership, and use.

Since 1934, Canada has had a ban on hand gun ownership for private persons. Only Police officers, members of the Canadian Forces, and licensed armoured car guards are allowed to carry a hand gun, and ONLY when ON DUTY. No one else.

Rifles and shotguns are allowed, BUT the owner must go through a extensive background investigation, that takes about six months to complete, and if ANY family member objects to the application, it is denied. In addition, any mental health problems are an automatic reason for a denial. In addition, once a firearms permit has been issued, the individual must pass a hunter safety course, and a "in home " inspection of the storage and security of those long guns. They must be stored in a gun safe, with trigger locks, and the ammo must be locked up in a seperate safe.

Rifles and shotguns in Canada are subject to severe conditions of use and transport. No one can carry a long gun around the streets, and only a licensed hunter " while hunting " can carry one. Rifles are restricted in their ammuntion magazines, to 10 rounds, shotguns can only have a 3 round capacity, and no weapon under 24 inches in length can be legally owned here. There is a long list of "prohibited firearms " that includes most military weapons, and cut down shotguns. To buy ammo you must have a firearms permit in your name.

Unlike the USA, Canada has ONE national Criminal Code, that applies in ALL parts of the country. Much easier to enforce and understand, and prosecute.

As a result, we have a much smaller annual death toll, and ONE US city ( Chicago ) has MORE murders in one year, than our entire country does. Canada's national population is 34 million, about the same as that of California. Compare the two jurisdictions and see what the murder rates are ?

WHY? Canada has a long history of being a safe, peacefull, and orderly country. We watch the USA as it tries to deal with it's gun problems, and shake our heads at the insanity of it all.

Jim B

Toronto,
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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if you can get access to watch Face the Nation correspondent John Miller has a lot of updated info and answers to unanswered questions. I just watched it on the TV and WOW the profile of the mother and Son have changed
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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Sara Lee, can you give us a synopsis of that show?
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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cBS / FBI News Corespondent John Miller was on Face the Nation.
ahhhhhhhh found the link

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...er-adam-lanza/
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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Thank you.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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there was a death threat at the Newtown church Newtown church forced to evacuate after death threat - NYPOST.com
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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Can we stand back and LOOK at the country next door to the USA, called Canada ?

Both countries started out as colonies, and even today, they are both modern first world countires, with democratically elected Governments, and a capitalistic economy. But that country next door has a completely differrent point of view on guns and their ownership, and use.

Since 1934, Canada has had a ban on hand gun ownership for private persons. Only Police officers, members of the Canadian Forces, and licensed armoured car guards are allowed to carry a hand gun, and ONLY when ON DUTY. No one else.

Rifles and shotguns are allowed, BUT the owner must go through a extensive background investigation, that takes about six months to complete, and if ANY family member objects to the application, it is denied. In addition, any mental health problems are an automatic reason for a denial. In addition, once a firearms permit has been issued, the individual must pass a hunter safety course, and a "in home " inspection of the storage and security of those long guns. They must be stored in a gun safe, with trigger locks, and the ammo must be locked up in a seperate safe.

Rifles and shotguns in Canada are subject to severe conditions of use and transport. No one can carry a long gun around the streets, and only a licensed hunter " while hunting " can carry one. Rifles are restricted in their ammuntion magazines, to 10 rounds, shotguns can only have a 3 round capacity, and no weapon under 24 inches in length can be legally owned here. There is a long list of "prohibited firearms " that includes most military weapons, and cut down shotguns. To buy ammo you must have a firearms permit in your name.

Unlike the USA, Canada has ONE national Criminal Code, that applies in ALL parts of the country. Much easier to enforce and understand, and prosecute.

As a result, we have a much smaller annual death toll, and ONE US city ( Chicago ) has MORE murders in one year, than our entire country does. Canada's national population is 34 million, about the same as that of California. Compare the two jurisdictions and see what the murder rates are ?

WHY? Canada has a long history of being a safe, peacefull, and orderly country. We watch the USA as it tries to deal with it's gun problems, and shake our heads at the insanity of it all.

Jim B

Toronto,
I do appreciate these posts from other countries. We here are faced with a challenge and it has fallen into the hands of the uncaring politicians to decide. It is a part of American life which has been terrifying for decades...and now little boys and little girls in a school room.

The gun manufacturers make money and they are supported in their greed. They formulate clever ads to keep the "need" up for assault weapons. If they could they would give us grenades as well. It is no accident that the Army labeled the invasion of Iraq as "Shock and Awe". Just another video game the fact that people are torn apart and killed secondary to the joy of the game.

This deeply rageful perpetrator (shot his mother in the face) prior to the carnage at the school would not have done this without these weapons. It is really that simple. The principal who was killed trying to stop him would not have died, and these children and their families would not have a hole in their lives, unfathomable in it's depth and pain. It won't end here....and it won't stop.

America has lost it's compass. Replaced by a machine so tantalizing that citizens are terrorized in their bank accounts and in their neighborhoods. One malicious the other deadly. It is rotting from within.

I love this country and immigrated here when I was six. I studied it's laws and system of government noble as it was intended....all depleted now to greed, avarice and mental illness. The shooter here is the end product of a society which will not pay for mental health care, justifies it's guns with songs and video games and looks the other way when these horrific events occur. Each time we hope that it will change and it has not....and it won't now. It's the cost of business. It's "collateral damage". It's opportunity cost and it's a culture mired in war.

The United States is tetering on a failure much more catastrophic than any invasion. At least in the case of an invasion we would know what to do...and we would act.

There is nothing noble left if this cannot be responded to and fixed...as Canada did, and continues to do.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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Check out the overall history of school shootings in the US:

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It started as early as the 1700s.
There were 10 in the 1800s.
There were 21 from 1900 to 1930.
There were 12 in the 1940s alone.
The 1950s was busy with 19.
Things started to slow down in the 1960s with 12.
In the 1970s it was down to 5.
It was back up in the 1980s with 19 again.
The 1990s had 17.
Starting to decline again in 2000s being down to 12.
So far, 2010s have 6 that all happened in 2012.

As you can see, it isn't on the rise. It's pretty much been this way our entire lives except for the 1970s.

The US isn't the only country that has school shootings.

School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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