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Old 12-25-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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The hype made sense in context. A certain element of America was terrified of the youth culture that Manson was a part of.
That's putting it mildly; The "hippie" conterculture had emerged into the spotlight only two years before in the "summer of love" (1967), and substantial portions of the country were still so isolated from it as to have no exposure except via the mass media. It says something about our obsession with semantics that that the recognition of the term "hippie" by the older generation meant it had to be replaced -- often by the term "freak"-- within another year.

Unrest in urban ghettos in cities like Newark and Detroit had already made suburbanites nervous, and now one more element had been admitted to the mix.

It took well over a year to bring Manson and company to trial, and a post-trial comment by a juror maned Marie Mesmer that she'd "protected society" by imposing a death sentence said a lot about the polarization of the day. That point became moot when the Supreme Court invalidated all current death sentences in the spring of 1972, and Manson began to fade into obscurity --- for a while.

Lead prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book entitled Helter Skelter about the case, the title drawn from one of the more enigmantic cuts on the Beatles ' "white album", and a young actor named Steve Railsback gave a frightening impression in the role of Charkes Manson when the work turned into a made-for-TV movie c.1976.

Manson, now well past age 70, and two of his groupies, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten (Susan Atkins died a year or two ago of natural causes) continue to rot quietly away in the California penal system.

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Old 12-25-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders by Vincent Bugliosi - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists

I found this book fascinating.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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It was also most Americans first glimpse into cults and the Manson Family themselves made things a circus with their antics. It also involved Hollywood types and Manson was known to some famous musicians. Not to mention, Manson himself was an odd duck and interesting character and always gives great interviews. He perpetuates his fame.
Manson, While bats**t crazy is intelligent and had the charisma and persuasiveness to get followers-Not an easy feat by just about anyone. While I am too young to remember the actual trial as it happened have seen footage about this case as well as interviews with Charles. There was a clip of one that was chilling, Where a reporter asked the question "Who is Charles Manson?" to him. After making insane faces and glowering for about a good 20 seconds he gave an whispered answer:

"Nobody."

Creepy.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Manson, While bats**t crazy is intelligent and had the charisma and persuasiveness to get followers-Not an easy feat by just about anyone. While I am too young to remember the actual trial as it happened have seen footage about this case as well as interviews with Charles. There was a clip of one that was chilling, Where a reporter asked the question "Who is Charles Manson?" to him. After making insane faces and glowering for about a good 20 seconds he gave an whispered answer:

"Nobody."

Creepy.
Yeah. Happy to have him in Corcoran prison and not paroled. Next parole hearing for him is when he's 92.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:47 PM
 
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What is it with Charles Manson and all the sensationalist fame?

ok, he led a hippy cult in the 60's that killed a few people, and bad that that is, why is there such a lingering infamy?

plenty of people have done far worse yet we hear next to nothing about them.

What makes the Manson case stand out so much?
The DA made his career on the case mostly via creating a huge mythology about the Manson Family as a doomsday cult led by a charismatic madman. It was 99% fabricated by Bugliosi but neverthess effective.
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The DA made his career on the case mostly via creating a huge mythology about the Manson Family as a doomsday cult led by a charismatic madman. It was 99% fabricated by Bugliosi but neverthess effective.
Proof that it was "99% fabricated"? Come to the table with facts. Hyperbole does not add to the discussion.
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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I know the true story. I'm a bit lazy though. What do you want to know?
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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The hype made sense in context. A certain element of America was terrified of the youth culture that Manson was a part of.

Exactly. It was upright & uptight middle-class America's worst fears come true. Also, when the story came out in an era when people were letting strangers walk into their houses and leaving their doors unlocked and their keys in the ignition, people learned all these other things that made them squirm. These people broke into houses every night just for grins to rearrange the furniture, maybe steal a hat or a sandwich. Your house, my house, anyone's. And all that time they were warming up to kill you.

Not only did they kill a lot of rich people, but they targeted the only aristocrats we have: movie stars, rocks stars, people we had always thought of as untouchable. The bright lights in the movie and film industries always felt safe before the Manson murders; afterward, they started carrying guns, hiring bodyguards and all that stuff.

The Family members also thought nothing of killing each other if Charlie said to do it. This was America's first organized group of religious-political terrorists, to my knowledge; that they were, at first glance, impossible to distinguish from any other scabby Jesus-jumping hippies; that a lot of them came from very nice families, respectable backgrounds and even very solid college or business careers to follow Charlie. And when the story broke, Charlie got MORE followers, showing people that their own sons and daughters were willing to believe that this wild-eyed lunatic was the second coming of Jesus Christ. People STILL believe it.

Also, they killed a woman who was almost 9 months pregnant. Most people draw the line right there. You would never have heard of Laci Peterson if her husband had killed her before she got pregnant.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:19 PM
 
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ok, thanks for the replies, I'm a bit more clued up on it all now.

still seems like a lot of hype, someone mentioned the DA making his career on this case, for example!

guess, plenty were cashing in on the Manson character.

and if the group had only killed anonymous suburbanites none of this would have made the headlines.

so why is the life of a pretty (but fairly obscure) actress worth that much more than a regular person?
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:20 PM
 
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so why is the life of a pretty (but fairly obscure) actress worth that much more than a regular person?
Who said it was besides you?
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