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Old 12-29-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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Despicable, just wrong, was this supposed to be some gang initiation? Who can we blame this one on the system? I just cannot see how a person with no motive, or external factor pushing him can do this. Can you be born this bad?
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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Sadly, I am beginning to believe more and more that some people are simply born without a soul - without a conscience - and/if they have any bit of a conscience and they got into trouble before and nothing happened to them as far as punishment and/or accountability, then they learn quickly that they can beat anything or whatever they do is acceptable so they increase their risk, the danger and perhaps the thrill. And then clearly they have no conscience.

I think this is a societal, criminal, moral and ethical quandry where all components must work together to stop it.

There are no words to describe this - awful does not seem to suffice.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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Yep evil abounds everywhere and anywhere and it is disgusting what happened to this lady and people are growing more evil by the day . I will pray for her and those that did that for their eternal soul .
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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Sadly, I am beginning to believe more and more that some people are simply born without a soul - without a conscience - and/if they have any bit of a conscience and they got into trouble before and nothing happened to them as far as punishment and/or accountability, then they learn quickly that they can beat anything or whatever they do is acceptable so they increase their risk, the danger and perhaps the thrill. And then clearly they have no conscience.

I think this is a societal, criminal, moral and ethical quandry where all components must work together to stop it.

There are no words to describe this - awful does not seem to suffice.
And yes, you are FINELY getting it...
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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Sadly, I am beginning to believe more and more that some people are simply born without a soul - without a conscience - and/if they have any bit of a conscience and they got into trouble before and nothing happened to them as far as punishment and/or accountability, then they learn quickly that they can beat anything or whatever they do is acceptable so they increase their risk, the danger and perhaps the thrill. And then clearly they have no conscience.

I think this is a societal, criminal, moral and ethical quandry where all components must work together to stop it.

There are no words to describe this - awful does not seem to suffice.
I just wish that we would reform the criminal justice system in some ways. Don't waste jail space on thieves (hard labor instead), and don't let violent offenders out- ever in some cases! That ass who killed those firefighters recently after setting his neighborhood ablaze had been convicted of killing his grandmother.

Why was he out?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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I just wish that we would reform the criminal justice system in some ways. Don't waste jail space on thieves (hard labor instead), and don't let violent offenders out- ever in some cases! That ass who killed those firefighters recently after setting his neighborhood ablaze had been convicted of killing his grandmother.

Why was he out?
I'm speculating which is always a dangerous thing to do. I suspect he was convicted of something less than first degree murder. If this was the case, every state I know of provides for a term of less than life without parole as the penalty. In other words, the law probably mandated his release.

Its a terrible thing the guy kid, but its common when a past offender commits a second crime to wonder why he's out of prison in the first place. The simple answer is that if no one got parole, there'd be no room in the prisons at all.

Our country currently incarcerates about 1% of its population. That's a greater percentage than countries we think of as totalitarian states like China and Iran.
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:07 AM
 
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I'm speculating which is always a dangerous thing to do. I suspect he was convicted of something less than first degree murder. If this was the case, every state I know of provides for a term of less than life without parole as the penalty. In other words, the law probably mandated his release.

Its a terrible thing the guy kid, but its common when a past offender commits a second crime to wonder why he's out of prison in the first place. The simple answer is that if no one got parole, there'd be no room in the prisons at all.

Our country currently incarcerates about 1% of its population. That's a greater percentage than countries we think of as totalitarian states like China and Iran.
But the vast majority of our prisoners aren't violent offenders. The war of drugs is what has filled our prison system past capacity. And because of this, we allow violent offenders who have actually killed back out because we don't have the beds for them.

Kill a fellow human for any other reason but self-defense, and that should be it. You're done. You've proven you're not fit to live in society. Get caught with some weed or even harder drugs? Some of those prisoners are serving longer sentences than people who bludgeoned someone to death. It's ridiculous and I say this as a person who hates drugs and has never touched one in my life (or alcohol)
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:49 AM
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We have a really messed up justice system. They keep releasing sickos like the monster that killed those firefighters and look what happens. Once someone is arrested for a violent crime against another, they should never be let out. If they are going to release anyone, it should be the drug offenders, and people in jail for other non-violent offenses. Otherwise, things like this will keep happening all the time.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:11 AM
 
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^^ Agreed
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:33 AM
 
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We have a really messed up justice system. They keep releasing sickos like the monster that killed those firefighters and look what happens. Once someone is arrested for a violent crime against another, they should never be let out. If they are going to release anyone, it should be the drug offenders, and people in jail for other non-violent offenses. Otherwise, things like this will keep happening all the time.
Than all you need to do is convince your state legislature to rewrite the criminal code. Of course, while you ar at it, they are probably going to need to appropriate more money for prisons and the people who work inside them. This money has to come from somewhere, so there will either be a tax increase or we can take money out of areas like elementary and secondary education for children.

I'm not unsympathetic to what you say. Perhaps, some version of a "three strikes law" is necessary. Some people clearly shouldn't be getting out of prison, but be careful of what you say.

Stop and consider your words here. A "violent crime against another". If my wife gets angry at me and strikes me with her fist because I made a comment that upset her is that a "violent crime against another"? If I live in a trailer court and one of my neighbors verbally harasses me and I react my knocking him to the ground with my fists and he strikes his head is "that a violent crime against another" that should result in my incarceration for the rest of my life? What about two seventeen year old kids at high school who get into a fist fight? I could go on and on.

I don't think that's what you really mean. However, you have to understand in our society that we have written laws. Those laws have to interpreted and applied to each case. I often hear from people who don't like the results. However, that's how things work.
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