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Old 01-04-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Sometimes I wonder if it would make the least bit of difference if people in and out of a community were so outraged that they wrote letters to the editor; letters to prosecutors; attorney generals and legislators in the respective towns/states where some of these horrible cases occur.

We all know, as we have mentioned above about hazards of peer pressure/mob mentality - I trust that would hold true of prosecutors, attorney generals and legislators. If there were a constant barrage of well-written letters both to local newspapers, to their offices, even worse - sending a story like this one to AP or Reuters [every once in a while they like to get their teeth into a story such as this one], imagine the peer/public pressure that could be put on those in the law enforcement/judiciary arena.

What does that sentence, if you want to even call it that, say to another person who is in a similar situation -- I betcha it says, dam** he got away with it, maybe I can.

Makes a clear statement to lots of offenders and clearly not a good one.

Case on point [and only as a reference, not meaning as going off this thread] -- when the Brooke Bennett case came to light in Randolph VT [and feel free to google it] there was such community outrage about it that legislators began to truly scramble to get legislation passed re: minimum/maximum sentencing. Although in this particular case, I do not know if it would have prevented this horror but nonetheless, the pressure was on. Terrible case. Personally, I would rather not see reactive legislation/reactive sentencing but rather well-thought out legislation, proactive sentencing -- seems to me the more we have reactive legislation/sentencing, there are too many loopholes to get around or to slip through. I would much rather see real sensible and appropriate sentencing/legislation passed re: sentences that actually work and do what they were designed to do.

Are you kidding me - how can that truly be justified to a juvenile crime!? And the kid on film, who implicated himself in the rape, how could he not be arrested? Are even our prosecutors, judges and legislators truly more concerned with the politics of a crime and sentencing decisions more than addressing the crime and designing the appropriate sentence.

One of these days, and hopefully 2013 will bring about some of these changes, people will truly say enough and help to make appropriate changes and if that prosecutor, judge, legislator is truly more concerned about his/her politics, then it is time to get out of that position and do something else.

Disgraceful.

 
Old 01-04-2013, 05:46 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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A sad state of where we are as a county
I started seeing this type of Ghetto behavior in the mid 80's.
Now it's 2013 and it's everywhere in all walks of life!
You can't teach compassion.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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It's a shame that none of the boys there were brave enough to sneak out and call the cops. Mob mentality I guess.

Back in the eighties when I was a teenager I had a house party and got pass-out drunk. You know what the scary looking punk-rock kids I was hanging out with did? They put me to bed and then cleaned the place up so my parents wouldn't bust me when they got home the next afternoon.

This is 100% the fault of the perpetrators. Being young and stupid, or being a prostitute, or a drunk is not an offense that should be punishable by sexual assault and brutality. That girl is going to need years of therapy.

Incidentally, the online group Anonymous is outing all the offenders that they can locate. Since some of the perps were minors (maybe all of them) so their names will not be released to the media. Anonymous is taking it upon themselves to track down and out these lovely people using social media and other internet resources.
I remember our favorite thing to do with pass-out drunks were to paint them up with make-up and when they awoke, send them to the store

As for the incident with the boys, I read that at the moment there's no proof that the boys on the tape were actually the ones who did the assaulting, and that there might be some question as to whether the DA's son was involved I would imagine/hope there's DNA to prove who is guilty.

And I think Anonymous needs to keep themselves out of it, they are not making things better. In fact, now that the venue will be changed for the trial, it's going to make things harder on the victim, and it will take longer for all of it (the trial) to be done with.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Incidentally, the online group Anonymous is outing all the offenders that they can locate. Since some of the perps were minors (maybe all of them) so their names will not be released to the media. Anonymous is taking it upon themselves to track down and out these lovely people using social media and other internet resources.
A question, what is the online group Anonymous about, is it there practice to get involved in police matters? Never heard of them before.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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A question, what is the online group Anonymous about, is it there practice to get involved in police matters? Never heard of them before.
What??? You never heard of them? Been living under a rock???

Just wiki Anonymous.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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Most people are affected by alcohol LONG before they have drunk so much that they would pass out.

NK, what an awful story. I am really curious as to what will happen to the accused at trial. And I too think the bystanders should be charged with SOMETHING.
And what kind of effects long before passing out would make alcohol so perilous? I mean, come on, as if you have to drink that much anyways. Lets not pretend something other than irresponsibility, peer pressure, and just plain stupidity, but a magic potion is the cause of these troubles.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 11:31 PM
 
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Over and over again, this happens to teen girls. You could read this article to them, and they would still go out, and get drunk with their friends. You could make them write out the article, word for word, in long hand, for punishment for sneaking out, and they would still do it.

Sad. Some girls are just lucky. This girl, was not.

I am not blaming the victim here, this entire situation is disgusting. But, at the same time, come on girls, get some sense...going and getting plastered, around a lot of men, not the world's greatest idea. There are men in this world, who will, and do take advantage of women.
 
Old 01-05-2013, 12:22 AM
 
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Over and over again, this happens to teen girls. You could read this article to them, and they would still go out, and get drunk with their friends. You could make them write out the article, word for word, in long hand, for punishment for sneaking out, and they would still do it.

Sad. Some girls are just lucky. This girl, was not.

I am not blaming the victim here, this entire situation is disgusting. But, at the same time, come on girls, get some sense...going and getting plastered, around a lot of men, not the world's greatest idea. There are men in this world, who will, and do take advantage of women.
A lot depends on the company you keep as well. Where the hell were her friends as I believe someone up-thread asked?

If something like that had happened to me when I was a teen, there would be a lot of dead bodies turning up in that town. My family would have seen to that.
 
Old 01-05-2013, 12:54 AM
 
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Personally, I do not care if a woman is a professional escort or 'call girl' -- if she is assaulted, if she is forced -- anything against her will - it needs to be called what it is: rape. Let's say this woman [professional escort] is grocery shopping, taking her bags to her car and loading up the car, someone comes from behind her in the parking lot, forces her into the car and assaults her, was she asking for it because she was grocery shopping and was alone in the parking lot, of course not just like anyone of us who could be grocery shopping and hopefully not, assaulted in the lot, but if it was learned that she was an escort, does that make it less violent and/or acceptable behavior.

I would certainly hope not.
Very sadly, her profession probably WOULD be called into question during the court case. There is an absolute culture of blaming rape victims and even of suggesting that certain 'kinds' of woman can't be raped. And then we wonder why women hesitate to report rape.

I think anyone who knew of the girl's rape in the original story should be prosecuted and that their punishment should be more hefty than a slap on the wrist. Much heftier. I want them all off the street.
 
Old 01-05-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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I will be the most hated here, but I believe that when you involve yourself into that trade you put yourself into a position to be taken advantage of. I am in no way saying that is deserved, but I would compare it to the drug trade where most of our young men that die in this country are involved in.
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