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Old 01-07-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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I really can't take witness accounts of multiple shooters as any kind of evidence. People have a tendency to believe that our memories are flawless when in fact our memories are utterly unreliable. Many studies have proven that memories can be easily induced or altered. People 'remember' seeing things that never happened with only slight pushing, and fail to see incredibly obvious things that are right in front of them. In a high stress situation like a shooting (and especially with frightened children), I would assume that every eyewitness testimony is unreliable.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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I really can't take witness accounts of multiple shooters as any kind of evidence. People have a tendency to believe that our memories are flawless when in fact our memories are utterly unreliable. Many studies have proven that memories can be easily induced or altered. People 'remember' seeing things that never happened with only slight pushing, and fail to see incredibly obvious things that are right in front of them. In a high stress situation like a shooting (and especially with frightened children), I would assume that every eyewitness testimony is unreliable.
I agree that witness testimony can be flawed in high stress situations but there is aerial footage of a person or persons being chased by the police into the woods. There are reports on the police scanner talking about the police chasing and catching at least one suspect. There is one eyewitness who speaks to the news at the scene and actually points to the police car where the "man in cuffs dressed in camo pants and a black shirt who was escorted by police out of the woods" was sitting at that moment. The news reported that law enforcement had a second suspect in custody. Then, it was completely dropped from the media. No follow up whatsoever. That goes beyond flawed witness testimony.

There are many other odd inconsistencies such as the news initially reporting that Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary. The school nurse, Sally Cox, was interviewed by the media and she spoke of what a wonderful and caring Kindergarten teacher Nancy Lanza was. Then we find out that Nancy Lanza had zero connection to the school.

The media initially reported that only handguns were used in the shooting and that the assault rifle was in the car. They maintained this story for two days before changing the narrative to everyone being killed by an assault rifle.

The media reported that the Sandy Hook Principal reported hearing "hundreds of rounds being fired". Then we hear that the Principal was the first person killed in the shooting making it impossible for her to be giving interviews after the shooting.

There is the story from the neighbor who said that he found 6 students on his lawn being spoken to harshly by an older man. They told him that they witnessed their teacher "Victoria Soto" being killed. The next interview he gives does not mention the man but instead a female bus driver. The media has reported that 6 kids escaped from Victoria Soto's classroom. Other media reports that these 6 children were killed. What really happened to these 6 children remains unclear in the media today and the reports remain inconsistent.

Also, the initial reports that Ryan Lanza was the shooter and that his brother, Adam was the second suspect pulled from the woods and how his mother and father were dead, his girlfriend and friend were missing.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Either the media is 100% incompetent or something is amiss. I don't claim to know the answer to that question but the quantity of inconsistencies is enough to make a person go,
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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Does anyone really think that all those in the mainstream media would be in on some conspiracy?

And to the poster who suggested that Adam Lanza was a victim of "mind control": what possible purpose would the controller have for shooting first-graders?
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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Does anyone really think that all those in the mainstream media would be in on some conspiracy?

And to the poster who suggested that Adam Lanza was a victim of "mind control": what possible purpose would the controller have for shooting first-graders?
I do not believe that the mainstream media would deliberately report conflicting stories or misinformation or knowingly take part in a conspiracy. I believe that they are just reporting the information that they receive from sources such as law enforcement as well as eye witnesses. Unfortunately that information has been in conflict. I do feel that the mainstream media has failed in following up on unanswered questions and conflicting reports.

It has been mentioned in this thread that mind control is real but I do not see that anyone has suggested that they think it was used in the Sandy Hook case. The strongest theory, imo, as to why an attack like this would be staged is to chisel away at the 2nd amendment of the constitution. Pretty much everyone is horrified by children being killed. When people are scared, they will give up rights in exchange for security. Think of how easily the Patriot Act was passed after 9/11.

And again, I'm not claiming that this was staged or that some sort of conspiracy is what necessarily happened but the inconsistencies have peaked my interest and made me think and wonder.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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I do not believe that the mainstream media would deliberately report conflicting stories or misinformation or knowingly take part in a conspiracy. I believe that they are just reporting the information that they receive from sources such as law enforcement as well as eye witnesses. Unfortunately that information has been in conflict. I do feel that the mainstream media has failed in following up on unanswered questions and conflicting reports.

It has been mentioned in this thread that mind control is real but I do not see that anyone has suggested that they think it was used in the Sandy Hook case. The strongest theory, imo, as to why an attack like this would be staged is to chisel away at the 2nd amendment of the constitution. Pretty much everyone is horrified by children being killed. When people are scared, they will give up rights in exchange for security. Think of how easily the Patriot Act was passed after 9/11.

And again, I'm not claiming that this was staged or that some sort of conspiracy is what necessarily happened but the inconsistencies have peaked my interest and made me think and wonder.
But again the confusion in reporting can be explained as simply as the media collecting early unreliable accounts from traumatized people. There is always MASS confusion on the ground at times like that, and that includes within the first responders. Someone hears a faint rumor and repeats it to a friend, who then repeats it to a reporter as a fact. First responders are not immune to this.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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But again the confusion in reporting can be explained as simply as the media collecting early unreliable accounts from traumatized people. There is always MASS confusion on the ground at times like that, and that includes within the first responders. Someone hears a faint rumor and repeats it to a friend, who then repeats it to a reporter as a fact. First responders are not immune to this.
Then the media should follow up and report what happened to the person that the police took into custody that day because we have enough evidence to know that that really happened.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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Then the media should follow up and report what happened to the person that the police took into custody that day because we have enough evidence to know that that really happened.
But what does took into custody mean in this case? From what I remember, wasn't there a hunter in the woods who approached police because he didn't want to be accidentally shot or blamed? He could have been briefly handcuffed, then released in short order.

My issue with some of this is that the conspiracy theory sites mix relevant unanswered questions with things like 'not all news reporting was in agreement during the event' and 'different people reported seeing different things.' It makes them less credible because disagreement during breaking news is expected and memory is not infallible. When they use these things as 'evidence', it makes it harder to believe anything else they say.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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But what does took into custody mean in this case? From what I remember, wasn't there a hunter in the woods who approached police because he didn't want to be accidentally shot or blamed? He could have been briefly handcuffed, then released in short order.

My issue with some of this is that the conspiracy theory sites mix relevant unanswered questions with things like 'not all news reporting was in agreement during the event' and 'different people reported seeing different things.' It makes them less credible because disagreement during breaking news is expected and memory is not infallible. When they use these things as 'evidence', it makes it harder to believe anything else they say.

Someone was "taken in for questioning", according to law enforcement officials. And then never mentioned again. It was more then cuffing someone and then releasing them on the scene. They were taken into custody and being questioned, according to law enforcement.

I agree about the conspiracy theory sites. Some of the things they say are very far fetched or at best a stretch. Some of it seems plausible though. I have tried to approach it with an open mind and a lot of it is easy to discredit and some of it is not.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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Someone was "taken in for questioning", according to law enforcement officials. And then never mentioned again. It was more then cuffing someone and then releasing them on the scene. They were taken into custody and being questioned, according to law enforcement.

I agree about the conspiracy theory sites. Some of the things they say are very far fetched or at best a stretch. Some of it seems plausible though. I have tried to approach it with an open mind and a lot of it is easy to discredit and some of it is not.
The law enforcement officials aren't immune to confusion, as I said. An officer cuffs a hunter and reports a possible suspect. Another officer repeats this to media and is under the impression the 'suspect' has been taken in. In the meantime, the original officer realizes quickly it isn't a suspect at all, but others have seen the hunter cuffed and sitting in a police care. The officer is too busy worrying about what's going on in the school to report the change to everyone who might have heard his first message. So there was no one taken into custody at all.

I'm not saying that's what actually happened, just showing how confusion can spread.

I remember reading Fark (an online news collection site) and following live a hostage situation. Members were posting updates they were hearing from local police scanners. It isn't like on NCIS or Criminal Minds where all the cops know what's up and work in perfect synch. The scanners were reporting all manner of contradictory things. There were three suspects. Two. Four. Five hostages. Only one hostage. One hostage already escaped. Wait...no, that was just a concerned neighbor.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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I keep seeing talk in this thread of hunters in the woods right near the elementary school. Doesn't that seem odd to you? Hunting.. shooting guns.. that close to a school?
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