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Old 04-30-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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If I was a Mormon and had a daughter, I would consider him a great catch.

He may have had sex a few times with Jodi while dating Mimi Hall. He may have lied to his girlfriend but he wasn't married to Mimi, and Mimi was chaste. That doesn't make cheating ok, but if you think that the vast majority of young unmarried people (male and female) have been 100% faithful all of the time, you are very naive. Why are people trashing a completely normal, decent human being who made a few mistakes like any other normal human being? He wasn't a criminal. He didn't have kids with multiple "babymamas" or pressure his girlfriends into sex. He has dozens of friends and family going on national tv with nothing bad to say about him - even Jodi herself called him "beautiful inside and out." Why do people want to rationalize what happened to the victim, hold him to an impossible standard or withhold empathy because he gave in to his sex drive with the wrong chick? Hardly any adult in this world is pure as the driven snow, we just usually don't get to hear their phone sex calls played over and over in court.
Well said fruitlassis (darned iPhone keeps changing your name).

In addition to what you wrote I'll write it again: none of us knows if Travis had gotten a refferal for addiction counseling and had started to change. Something made him determined not to take ARIAS with him to Cancun. I think ARIAS knew he was making changes and she had lost her ability to control him.

I think what we're all uneasy about is the jury. How much of what we know we're they allowed to see? How tired are they? Can they spend another month in court for the death penalty portion?

The truth is none of us know.

MSR

 
Old 04-30-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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Isn't court suppose to start again tomorrow? Anyone want to bet on an ARIAS h/a day?

If she doesn't have one she takes herself out of the migraine league. Wasn't she suppose to be examined by the "new" psychologist during this break? If she does have migraines, she shouldn't be able to function. On the flip side, if she gets tension h/a's she won't get one until the witness reflects her in a bad light.

MSR
 
Old 04-30-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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HLN interviewed a lady who bought Travis's house. Supposedly, she didn't know anything about the killing. The realtor wasn't required to divulge the dramatic history of the property.

The lady says people drive by all day taking pictures of the house, knock on the front door, and want tours of the master bedroom.

The really eerie thing is, she has kids!!

I can imagine the kids getting teased endlessly at school. "Nanny nanny booboo, Jodi's going to get you...".


It must be the ultimate sleepover house...

"Let's play play Jodi and Travis"........"I wanna be Jodi..you play Travis...

or, at Midnight........ '' if you say Jodi 3 times in the mirror, she'll come and get you..."

Halloween must really creepy..... The girl's costumes would consist of of pigtails, and a toy gun and knife.
..... The boy's costume would include a plastic camera, and a replica of the Book of Mormon.
 
Old 04-30-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Many years ago we lived in a small town where the houses are pretty close to each other. Long story short, my next door neighbor and his wife were splitting up and he shot her in the bedroom with a 30.30 then called the police. When they got there he had also killed himself.

The house sat empty for a long time and sometimes we would see a dim light on in that bedroom where it happened, but we knew the banker who owned the house and he told me the electricity had been off since right after it happened ! After a while a new family finally bought it and knew nothing about the history of the house and we didn't think it was our place to tell them or scare them, but one day the wife asked my wife if she knew anything about it and she had to tell her the truth. She told my wife some things were happening in the house before she knew that were kinda odd, but they didn't seem afraid.

The funny thing that was people thought it was our house where the killing happened and one time a lady in a grocery store said "Isn't it a shame about that killing, and the man was remodeling the house , putting siding on and all of that." It was our house that was being remodeled, not the one next door ! I always wondered how many people drove down our street to see the killing house and mistakenly thought it was ours.

Don
 
Old 04-30-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Great story!! Quite a few towns actually have 'Murder Tours'. Sounds like your street was on the local murder tour. Great street for a Lemonade stand.
 
Old 04-30-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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Love the way you and others here portray men as helpless slaves to their penises.

Tell me, how many here would want their daughter involved with a man like Travis?

"Sorry I cheated on you honey......it's not my fault.....I am a man.....and she was hot.....and well, what did you expect? It's perfectly normal for a man to lose control..... penis rules."

Really, we shouldn't be so hard on rapists and pedophiles either....they are, after all, just helpless victims of their sex drives. Boys will be boys.

And the women who tempt them? Well....we all know they are all just sluts and whores and deserve whatever they get. Maybe women should wear burqas......so as not to temp poor, weak men who can't help themselves.
No offense meant but I had a difficult time replying to such a ridiculous post.

I would have no problem with my daughters dating Travis Alexander. We are not Mormons but we are Christians. Travis would have treated my daughters with the respect they would demand as evidenced by the women that testified who had dated and loved Travis.

Our daughters were not allowed to date until they were 16, Friday or Saturday night only. They had to be home at 11:00 PM ... not 11:01 or :02 ... at 11:01 my phone better be ringing. My middle daughter had a date one Friday night when she was 17. He came in and chatted with us going to dinner and a movie. About 30 mintues later I got a call from our daughter ... Mom can you please come get me. I am at so & so shopping center. It seems the guy had parked his car and told her to get in the back seat ... he wanted sex. She got out alright, walked away and called home. When this daughter was in college and came home she asked if she still had to be home by 11:00 PM. No we didn't beat or abuse our children. LOL

We didn't raise whores. We raised two respectable daughters and under our watch nothing going on kinky. They are educated adults now living on their own. One married with a child and the other single buying her own home, she works and volunteers at a local food pantry for the needy. I don't know what they do behind closed doors and, now, it's none of my business. But I can assure you we will never see them in the national media shooting, stabbing and slashing a guy's throat.

Our son was born five years after our daughters and he was a wonderful child ... then puberty arrived and the hormones kicked in ... in college he majored in partying and getting laid. The summer months he was a lifeguard at Myrtle Beach and I am sure when the sun went down there was more partying and getting laid. He was 33 when he married and settled down. Do I condone what he did ... nope ... he was a pig ... a ho'dog but he never forced himself on any female. They came after him, they spread their legs willingly. Perhaps chastity belts would be better than burkas for this type predatory female.

Arias introduced Travis to kinky ... yes perhaps he had had fantasies which is NORMAL but it seems he never experienced those fantasies until the kinky Arias came along. I don't think Travis had this type of relationship until he met the three hole wonder. There is no evidence shown thus far that he treated any other woman in this manner. Authorities didn't find any porn, female breasts, kiddie porn on his computer hard drives. If he was a perv the porn would have been there.

Again no offense, but you should be ashamed of yourself for the reference you made about pedophiles and rapist ... a pedophile needs to have his testicles and penis cut off and hung by the throat until dead in a public square for all to see. Only one person has accused Travis Alexander of pedophilia and that is Arias and she said in July 2011 she would drag Travis, his family and the LDS families through the mud. She liked this type of sex, she testified that she enjoyed it.
 
Old 04-30-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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Isn't court suppose to start again tomorrow? Anyone want to bet on an ARIAS h/a day?

If she doesn't have one she takes herself out of the migraine league. Wasn't she suppose to be examined by the "new" psychologist during this break? If she does have migraines, she shouldn't be able to function. On the flip side, if she gets tension h/a's she won't get one until the witness reflects her in a bad light.

MSR
No, the Defense hopes this will be an Arias day ... the surrebuttal witness the judge is allowing to testify to rebut Dr. D's testimony and diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder. In addition the DT hopes to rebut the Medical Examiners report about the gunshot to the brain.

This is the DT's last ditch effort before closing arguments. But the judge made it clear they will stay tomorrow until they finish and then closing arguments Thursday and Friday.

But I am sure Juan Martinez and his staff have been digging up everything they can on Dr. Robert Geffner
 
Old 04-30-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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I don't think the argument is about TA deserved to die or not. No one here said TA deserved to die. And no one here said JA should be set free. The argument is about whether the death penalty is appropriate for Jodi Arias. The argument also stemmed from fundamental difference in our views regarding abusive relationship, the value of human life and death penalty.

Just judging from this forum, I don't think JA will get death penalty. Well, we will know soon.
Understood - but how this all is decided seems to be dependent on what kind of person TA is being judged as. His sexual activity and even his behavior as a "boyfriend" is brought up over and over again and IMO has nothing to do with the case. Nothing brought to light indicates this was an abusive relationship. Dysfunctional yes but not abusive.
 
Old 04-30-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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No offense meant but I had a difficult time replying to such a ridiculous post.

I would have no problem with my daughters dating Travis Alexander. We are not Mormons but we are Christians. Travis would have treated my daughters with the respect they would demand as evidenced by the women that testified who had dated and loved Travis.

Our daughters were not allowed to date until they were 16, Friday or Saturday night only. They had to be home at 11:00 PM ... not 11:01 or :02 ... at 11:01 my phone better be ringing. My middle daughter had a date one Friday night when she was 17. He came in and chatted with us going to dinner and a movie. About 30 mintues later I got a call from our daughter ... Mom can you please come get me. I am at so & so shopping center. It seems the guy had parked his car and told her to get in the back seat ... he wanted sex. She got out alright, walked away and called home. When this daughter was in college and came home she asked if she still had to be home by 11:00 PM. No we didn't beat or abuse our children. LOL

We didn't raise whores. We raised two respectable daughters and under our watch nothing going on kinky. They are educated adults now living on their own. One married with a child and the other single buying her own home, she works and volunteers at a local food pantry for the needy. I don't know what they do behind closed doors and, now, it's none of my business. But I can assure you we will never see them in the national media shooting, stabbing and slashing a guy's throat.

Our son was born five years after our daughters and he was a wonderful child ... then puberty arrived and the hormones kicked in ... in college he majored in partying and getting laid. The summer months he was a lifeguard at Myrtle Beach and I am sure when the sun went down there was more partying and getting laid. He was 33 when he married and settled down. Do I condone what he did ... nope ... he was a pig ... a ho'dog but he never forced himself on any female. They came after him, they spread their legs willingly. Perhaps chastity belts would be better than burkas for this type predatory female.

Arias introduced Travis to kinky ... yes perhaps he had had fantasies which is NORMAL but it seems he never experienced those fantasies until the kinky Arias came along. I don't think Travis had this type of relationship until he met the three hole wonder. There is no evidence shown thus far that he treated any other woman in this manner. Authorities didn't find any porn, female breasts, kiddie porn on his computer hard drives. If he was a perv the porn would have been there.

Again no offense, but you should be ashamed of yourself for the reference you made about pedophiles and rapist ... a pedophile needs to have his testicles and penis cut off and hung by the throat until dead in a public square for all to see. Only one person has accused Travis Alexander of pedophilia and that is Arias and she said in July 2011 she would drag Travis, his family and the LDS families through the mud. She liked this type of sex, she testified that she enjoyed it.
Sorry, I don't buy into the "boys will be boys" attitude.....that they get a pass for bad behavior and women are vilified for the same behavior.

The double standard is alive and well in America.

I wouldn't want my daughter involved with a man who could only manage to be a gentleman with her because he had a "plaything" on the side.

How would you feel if your son became involved with a girl who put on a chaste face with him......but had a lover stashed away out of sight? Would that be OK too?
 
Old 04-30-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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Again no offense, but you should be ashamed of yourself for the reference you made about pedophiles and rapist ... a pedophile needs to have his testicles and penis cut off and hung by the throat until dead in a public square for all to see. Only one person has accused Travis Alexander of pedophilia and that is Arias and she said in July 2011 she would drag Travis, his family and the LDS families through the mud. She liked this type of sex, she testified that she enjoyed it.
So true and I think this can't be emphasized enough. She is incredibly vindictive and sadistic; she didn't just want Travis to suffer, but his friends and family too. She spent years crafting these stories about abuse and pedophilia. She realized after 2 or 3 years, the first set of lawyers that quit on her, then trying to defend herself, that the odds were stacked against her. The only way she was going to get a lesser penalty would be to convince some naive jurors that there was some provocation on Travis's part. She tried to get a plea for 2nd degree and if she didn't get it she threatened to come out with all the lurid stories. The State rightfully rejected the plea, and here we are. I am stunned that there are actually people that buy her crap hook, line and sinker.
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