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Old 05-11-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Find me one other woman who has anything bad to say about Travis and I might change my mind, but there are none.......not women he dated nor in his social circle of friends. No one. And after a sensational trial like this accusers normally come out of the woodwork and say they were also victims, and still, NONE have come forward.

This case is as cut and dry (no pun intended) as any in history. Every claim made by Jodi is an out and out boldfaced lie, every single one. It is so easy for a woman to yell rape or abuse and then the burden seems to shift to the man to defend himself against those claims. All these phoney baloney claims do is hurt the women who are truly victims of rape and abuse and women should be outraged.

Don

 
Old 05-11-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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Personally, Travis was an inexperienced kid, drawn to Arias for sex. I think he did abuse her, in an effort to get away from her. Hoping she would dump him. Instead, she exploited him for money, used him, and manipulated him. He was a victim.

There is a lesson here.... For many others. It is almost biblical, if Travis had followed the teachings of his religion, being chaste, he would not have been drawn into the relationship. Or, flip side, if he had even encouraged to have a normal relationship, he would not have been attracted to Arias.
I agree he was technically a virgin to all the things Arais introduced him to ... perhaps not a virgin as far as the missionary position and the rubbing/sacking whatever they called it in testimony that she did to the guy in Utah immediately after slaughtering Travis. Arias had been through many men since her early teens and was sexually active with all of them.

I know with Deanna he didn't have this kinky type sexual relationship. Arias made sure Deanna got drug through the mud but bless her heart Deanna handled it like a trooper. Arias didn't get to see Deanna break on the stand. Along with the Alexander family I hope Deanna gets to testify in the victim impact portion.

Arias was looking for a husband and she wanted Travis Alexander. She wasn't going to sell Pre-Paid Legal that was just another ploy she used to get to him. But the main thing she used was kinky sex. Yes he took her up on the kinky sex and used her but he had no intention whatsoever of marrying her. When she wouldn't let go with him being nice about a break-up the name calling started and whatever it would take to get rid of her.

Just to be sure posters understand, what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is their own business. I refer to this as kinky sex because I am sure this was Travis Alexander's first time 'around the world' with a female. I don't care what type of sex one participates in except leave little children alone and animals. It's private and a couples own business. But I just think Travis would do these things and it was GREAT in the beginning and then after a period of time his religious convictions would set in and he realized Arias wasn't exactly wife material nor was she an honorable person.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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This case is as cut and dry (no pun intended) as any in history. Every claim made by Jodi is an out and out boldfaced lie, every single one. It is so easy for a woman to yell rape or abuse and then the burden seems to shift to the man to defend himself against those claims. All these phoney baloney claims do is hurt the women who are truly victims of rape and abuse and women should be outraged.

Don
I think it is appalling...can you imagine if the tables were turned and Jodi had been the one stalked and killed, how many people would be trying to paint her as an abuser? At the end of the day though, Travis's friends and family know what kind of man he was, moreso than any random individual on the internet. And the State of Arizona did not buy into her BS. There is also a petition with close to 13,000 signatures to create "Travis Alexander's Law" to stop allowing prejudicial claims against murder victims without evidence. I would encourage people to sign it so hopefully something positive can come from this case.

http://www.change.org/petitions/crea...thout-evidence
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Out West
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do you think jodi arias was doing self defense in killing that guy, like if he was a wife beater? Was he wife beater?
Had she merely shot him, it would have been a different trial.

Had she stabbed him once, it would have been a different trial.

Had she punched him, ran from the house, banged on the neighbor's door and begged for them to call 911, it would have been a different trial.

But that's not what happened.

She shot him, stabbed him 27 times, slit his throat from ear to ear and left him there. No one knew until four days later that he was dead.

That is NOT self defense.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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I have a question for anyone who wants to weigh in.
There was no evidence to indicate that TA abused JA. It does not matter what my opinion is - there was simply no proof of it. There was also no proof that he was a pedophile.

BUT, if there had been some indication that he had in one or more occasions used physical force ( ie, hitting, punching , slapping but not a documented threat to her life), or if TA actually had photos (not child porn) of children in his possession, would you or would you not still support the first degree murder charge for Jodi?

I certainly would! It was proven that she planned for the attack, did more then simply protect herself from a supposed attack, attempted to cover her tracks and lied to protect herself. Whether he was abusive or not, or whether he was a pedophile was never relevant.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Find me one other woman who has anything bad to say about Travis and I might change my mind, but there are none.......not women he dated nor in his social circle of friends. No one. And after a sensational trial like this accusers normally come out of the woodwork and say they were also victims, and still, NONE have come forward.

This case is as cut and dry (no pun intended) as any in history. Every claim made by Jodi is an out and out boldfaced lie, every single one. It is so easy for a woman to yell rape or abuse and then the burden seems to shift to the man to defend himself against those claims. All these phoney baloney claims do is hurt the women who are truly victims of rape and abuse and women should be outraged.

Don
Don...

Given her lying it's difficult to grasp there's truth there. This isn't making excuses for Jodi Arias, she's the classic stalking ex-lover resulting in death. I wouldn't expect the court hearing to be anything less than it was....to drag as many good people under the bus as possible.

With his age lack of history, experience and upbringing, unfamiliar with what falls under the umbrella of DV and inept in handling the situation..... Perhaps mistakes were made, that wouldn't have occurred had he been in a normal relationship dynamic. Not difficult to conceive.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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As far as the outrageous claims of pedophilia, they said when the experts went into Travis' computer it was one of the cleanest ones they have ever seen as far as erasures and brousing history. If he were a pedophile you can bet his computer would have been full of porn. Not only that, but Jodi said he was looking at pictures of kids..........in this day and age who looks at pictures ??? Travis grew up in the computer age and would have gotten his jollies from the internet, God knows there are plenty of places to go on the net to find ANYTHING you want to find.

But Three Wolves in the Snow hit it perfectly, 27-29 stab wounds, a slit throat, and a gunshot wound are NOT self defense. Take your arm and swing it 29 times as if you are stabbing someone and see how much effort and time that takes. Jodi is full of BS and thank God that jury was smart enough to see through all of it. I would love to thank every one of them if I could.

Don
 
Old 05-11-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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Had she merely shot him, it would have been a different trial.

Had she stabbed him once, it would have been a different trial.

Had she punched him, ran from the house, banged on the neighbor's door and begged for them to call 911, it would have been a different trial.

But that's not what happened.

She shot him, stabbed him 27 times, slit his throat from ear to ear and left him there. No one knew until four days later that he was dead.

That is NOT self defense.
I agree with you there.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Somewhere
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Personally, Travis was an inexperienced kid, drawn to Arias for sex. I think he did abuse her, in an effort to get away from her. Hoping she would dump him. Instead, she exploited him for money, used him, and manipulated him. He was a victim.

There is a lesson here.... For many others. It is almost biblical, if Travis had followed the teachings of his religion, being chaste, he would not have been drawn into the relationship. Or, flip side, if he had even encouraged to have a normal relationship, he would not have been attracted to Arias.
Here's another lesson,

How about teaching people to have healthy relationships instead of telling them that an invisible creature says having sex before marriage is a sin while the mainstrain media is telling them that 90% of young men(I'm quoting another poster) have casual sex because young men can't control their instincts? If someone had taught Travis (and possibly Jodi) the psychological consequences of having casual sex, maybe they would have not been drawn into this unhealthy relationship after they broke up.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Personally, Travis was an inexperienced kid, drawn to Arias for sex. I think he did abuse her, in an effort to get away from her. Hoping she would dump him. Instead, she exploited him for money, used him, and manipulated him. He was a victim.

There is a lesson here.... For many others. It is almost biblical, if Travis had followed the teachings of his religion, being chaste, he would not have been drawn into the relationship. Or, flip side, if he had even encouraged to have a normal relationship, he would not have been attracted to Arias.
Sad to say but this is the truth. It happens everyday. I was raised in a strict religion and part of why I left at 21 was because I was sick of the hypocrisy I saw day in and day out.
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