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Old 05-17-2013, 11:35 PM
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Originally Posted by Mtn. States Resident View Post
Nice to know you've already shared in the relationship section. It took a lot of courage for you to share that info about yourself . I hope on your path of recovery happier days are ahead for you.

We're all just people posting in the thread about the ARIAS murder trial. If you want to argue it was DV there are many other forums in many Internet spots.

No, Travis Alexander was murdered. CONVICT ARIAS admitted to killing him.

It was clearly DV resulting in a brutal murder. If you're a professional in a capacity of counseling, you might think about taking some DV education.

Old 05-17-2013, 11:43 PM
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Tonight was a special update on 48 Hours. Here's a clip that wasn't on the show...this was from the first interview they did with her back in 2008, and shows her primping in all her narcissistic, psychopathic glory. She looooves the camera, alright.

Extra: Meeting Jodi Arias - 48 Hours - CBS News

Darryl Brewer and a "childhood friend" Patty Womack were supposed to testify for JA on Thursday, but apparently they did not have their scripts memorized I also heard a rumor that Patty showed up to court in Daisy Dukes, and does not want to be shown on camera (though she's already appeared on Nancy Grace and Dateline...so who knows). Nurmi was at the jail today to pick up their scripts from JA, presumably.
Old 05-17-2013, 11:59 PM
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Thanks for that article, the "Survivor T-Shirts" are a scam.
Old 05-18-2013, 12:22 AM
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I've always wanted to address one aspect of this case but it was never the right time or transition. Reading the above has convinced me this is the time.

We all know somewhere between Squirmy and CONVICT ARIAS they decided to sling more crap at Travis, which could not be independently confirmed: the accusation he was sexually attracted ( well I honestly don't recall what was said in court as the DT and CONVICT ARIAS kept mixing their story up. I've read accounts that it was just boys and I've read it was all children). I'm posting this now as I hope anyone who really wants to learn more about sexual abuse of children, will read "Out of the Shadows."

There are lots of good books and references about sex offenders and I strongly encourage anyone who is struggling with this issue in their family, a friend or others to seek professiioonal help. One solo person, be it a girlfriend or mother or best friend can't stop a pedophile from being a pedophile.

In assessing offenders there is a world of difference between an adult attracted to males, females or both sexes. Along with the age of the victims. I'm not going to be more specific here as it is best not to. But I will say with 100% confidence, I seriously doubt if Nurmi and/ or CONVICT ARIAS knew how ignorant they are on the subject every time they mentioned certain things about TA's sexual fantasies and CONVICT ARIAS' own positive reaction to certain ideas or words.

If it was Squirmy's idea, I don't lknow how he's one any child sexual abuse cases, unless he got them pleaded down.

My take home point- get expert information and help if you may have a victim or offender you know. DO NOT rely on what Squirmy said as a reliable source of info. More discussion about this part should go in a sex abuse thread. I feel better having finally addressed the issue as there are people who unfortunately believe everything said in court is 100 % truth. Sadly, it was totally inaccurate when it came to sex abuse or sexual attraction of children/boys.

CONVICT ARIAS does think fast on her feet when she's not in a fog or having a migraine. And despite the books she requested for the "less fortunate girls" she doesn't even know how to lie about sexual abuse ( meaning how to try to describe another as a pedophile). I can't remember if CONVICT ARIAS claims to have been sexually abused or not. If so, she may have been an adequate enough liar to keep others not aware of abuse, in her family of origin.

Old 05-18-2013, 12:53 AM
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Look at her eyes---in previous and more current videos. They're almost vacant, like her brain isn't truly connected to what her mouth is saying. Those eyes----it reminds me of Victorian photos taken of the dead. Photography was relatively new back in the Victorian Era, and it became popular for a time to take pictures of the deceased, especially if there were no other pictures. Her eyes have that same dead, vacant stare
Old 05-18-2013, 01:56 AM
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Originally Posted by virgode View Post

Who introduced who to the sexual style they engaged in doesn't really matter. "She liked it"... "He was using her for sex", or "none of his other girlfriends had anything bad to say" aren't excuses for his actions and behaviors.

The fact is he did engage with her and continued a sexual relationship after the break up. Big mistake!!

You simply can't send mixed messages with the disturbed.
And therein lies the problem! For a detached outsider, any sex can be seen as an excuse for something, can't it? Some of us like to think we are the saint and everyone else is the sinner, but that's not the truth.

It is always hard to any young man, no matter how moral he is, to pass up hot sex freely offered by a good looking young woman. Good sex has prolonged more than one very bad relationship, that's for sure. Excuses only come after the sex for both men and women.

This is especially true when couples are breaking up. When a couple is breaking up, as often as not there is a lot of sex during the breakup, especially if one partner is trying to leave and the other is trying to keep the other.

Discovering a person's partner is deeply disturbed is difficult for lots of people. Love makes us all blind to a partner's faults, and sex is a perfect mask for someone who has a well hidden dark side.
Past love and affection can also confuse a person who clearly understands their partner is no good for them. It can make anyone want to give things one last chance.

Emotion will trump clear thinking every time when people get naked and both want the same thing, but once the heat of passion dies down, a failed relationship remains a failure.
Heartbreak is a given, and we all learn how to cope with that, but very few of us are prepared well against sudden violence. We seldom know we are sending mixed messages to potential killers.

It's also one thing when there are several hundred miles between a couple who is breaking up, and it's entirely another thing when one shows up at the other's doorstep.

People like Jodi Arias are rare. Very rare. Travis Alexander understood breaking up brings anger, bitterness and sadness- he had been through some breakups. We all have at his age. But he had never been involved with a potentially lethal partner- how many of us are?

As a fit and confident young man, the thought that Jodi might kill him probably never crossed his mind. After all, jealousy and possessiveness is common in breakups, but death is not. I'm sure Travis thought he could handle Jodi right up to the moment she first stabbed him. Jodi probably though she had handled Travis too, until something he said and/or did right after their sex fired up the rage she brought with her.

I am absolutely positive she never meant to stab Travis. I am absolutely sure she planned to shoot him unless she was satisfied she had won him back.

A person's lies are always based on the truth. Jodi could make up a lie about finding the gun in Travis' closet, because that was a twist on the truth of her bringing a gun, but she never planned to stab him; that was spontaneous, and she could not make up a lie to when, where and how she got the knife and went to work with it. That is why she could say nothing at all about those moments.

But she did give us clues as to how it happened: she said Travis became angry in the shower and body slammed her. That's entirely possible. It's also possible he only gave her a slight push and yelled at her, and she conflated it into something more violent. Either was enough to trigger the rage.

She said she remembered Travis on his hands and knees in two of the big lies she told to the cops and 48 Hours. That's most likely true as well. By the time she fetched the knife, he was either still showering or just out, and most likely had his back to her at the time of the first blow. Falling to his hands and knees is completely understandable.

Everything after that becomes very fuzzy in her testimony. Travis probably tried to take the knife away if he wasn't so injured and still had strength to do so. He may have still been strong enough to escape the bathroom and stagger down the hall to the bedroom, with Jodi stabbing him all the way.
We will never know until she gives us the full story, and she probably will never do that. She may not be able to recall the sequence of events with any clarity now.

What is sure to me is the use of her pistol. She came intending to use it if she thought she had lost him, and she did. That, not the stabbing and slashing, was the moment she killed Travis in her mind. That he was already dead never occurred to her. Her memory was very clear about shooting the pistol.

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Old 05-18-2013, 03:08 AM
Location: DC/NYC
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Well I think she should spend life in prison. Reason being she will have a LOT of time to think about what she has done. I think Travis although a normal sex crazed man kept seeing her for sex after they broke up DESPITE her slashing his tires, stalking him while he was on dates and on facebook, telling him that she will hurt him was stupid on his part. After they broke up he kept getting jealous over her dates and sending her horny texts and telling her he loved her. Why lead on an obvious obsessive psycho? he'd call her s-l-u-t, w-h-o-re, and 3 hole wonder to demean her to a sex object. Her craziness went to a whole new level and all this made her feel rage and jealousy over the edge when he kept disrespecting her. It is weird how travis made her this way while an older man she was going to marry in the past did not. There was something about travis that pushed her to the edge and made her lose her sanity. It might have been the passionate and sex chemistry between them combined with disrespect and possessiveness of one another.
Old 05-18-2013, 03:11 AM
Location: DC/NYC
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Her character is very similar to that of Cameron Diaz on Vanilla Sky. Rage consumed by passions.
Old 05-18-2013, 06:30 AM
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Originally Posted by CarolinaWoman View Post
Thanks for that article, the "Survivor T-Shirts" are a scam.
Of course, this case may be DV related, selling tees and drawings on Ebay benefit her.
Old 05-18-2013, 06:40 AM
Location: Ft. Myers
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I may have to buy some of her artwork. The value always goes up after the artist has died, and it looks like Jodi is rapidly heading that direction. I've got to go over to that "Jodi Arias is Innocent" site and snoop a little , it is always good for a laugh or two.


Update: Ok, I visited that site and it really made me mad, won't be going back. They are actually saying Travis' Brother and Sister were faking their tears and don't really care about Travis at all. The person who operates that site is as sick as the murderer they are supporting.

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