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Old 05-29-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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She brutally killed a man, and went on like normal. It is beyond creepy scary.
Completely scary-creepy-unreal...

 
Old 05-29-2013, 11:21 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I agree about her lack of normal emotion. I think she has the characteristics of a psychopath.

The thing is, I wonder what makes someone a psychopath. From what I've read, many psychopaths do indeed come from an abusive and troubled background, but there are those like Ted Bundy or Jodi Arias that don't. It almost seems like a brain disorder or abnormality, in which case should we have some compassion for someone if they have become a psychopath?
Maybe, except for one thing...she knew killing someone was wrong. She knew, I think, that she had some psychological problems. In the police interview she mentioned something about Travis' family and if they had been calling the police for updates. The detective said 'yes they have been calling every day'. At that point Jodi says 'I wanted to call every day, too, but I didn't want to appear obsessive'. Someone who says that, IMHO, is aware of certain behaviors they have. If they do nothing about it as far as seeking help, then they should be considered culpable for any unlawful actions they perform. I would bet that lots of people have told her about her undesirable behavior (especially in school; kids are brutal!). She surrounded herself with people who were probably just too polite to confront her on her behavior. They just tolerated her, from what acquaintences say now.

Her defense team kept referring to her as a 'girl'. Talk about psychological pranks! She was not a girl when she killed Travis, and she is not a girl today. FGS, 15-year-olds (or younger) are sometimes tried as adults!
 
Old 05-29-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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I reserve my compassion for the victims of the psychopath. It's a waste of energy IMO to feel compassion for someone that has no conscience. Not all psychopaths become murderers, but for the ones that do, they feel no more remorse about killing a person than they would a cockroach.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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I thought Arias was creepy on the stand when Nurmi was examining her ... of course Nurmi was just a creep with his questions. Then she pulled her smart mouth remarks when the prosecutor cross examined her.

When Arias did the interviews from jail my skin would crawl when a reporter would shake hands with her. On June 4, 2008 those hands had to be covered in Travis Alexander's blood, the knife slick and dripping with Travis Alexander's blood.

The jurors that are speaking out now are feeding the defense team valuable info for the next jury selection ... the four votes for life were older members of the jury.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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I thought Arias was creepy on the stand when Nurmi was examining her ... of course Nurmi was just a creep with his questions. Then she pulled her smart mouth remarks when the prosecutor cross examined her.

When Arias did the interviews from jail my skin would crawl when a reporter would shake hands with her. On June 4, 2008 those hands had to be covered in Travis Alexander's blood, the knife slick and dripping with Travis Alexander's blood.

The jurors that are speaking out now are feeding the defense team valuable info for the next jury selection ... the four votes for life were older members of the jury.
The fact that the jury split 8-4 suggests that the prosecution was unable to prove the existence of the aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt (ARS 13-751) and sufficient to convince all the jurors.

This was not just one obstinate juror holding out but one third of the jury. That suggests to me that the chances of a new jury getting 12-0 for the death penalty are not all that good. My prediction, therefore, is that Arias will be sentenced to natural life.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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I reserve my compassion for the victims of the psychopath. It's a waste of energy IMO to feel compassion for someone that has no conscience. Not all psychopaths become murderers, but for the ones that do, they feel no more remorse about killing a person than they would a cockroach.
For me, compassion isn't usually something I make a decision on. It's a feeling. I did feel sorry for Arias when she was giving her penalty phase statement, because it was so evident just how barren her inner world is. She truly doesn't get it, she's just not operating like most people are.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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The fact that the jury split 8-4 suggests that the prosecution was unable to prove the existence of the aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt (ARS 13-751) and sufficient to convince all the jurors.

This was not just one obstinate juror holding out but one third of the jury. That suggests to me that the chances of a new jury getting 12-0 for the death penalty are not all that good. My prediction, therefore, is that Arias will be sentenced to natural life.
That's a good point, and now, as others have already pointed out, both sides know better how to fine-tune their arguments.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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The fact that the jury split 8-4 suggests that the prosecution was unable to prove the existence of the aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt (ARS 13-751) and sufficient to convince all the jurors.

This was not just one obstinate juror holding out but one third of the jury. That suggests to me that the chances of a new jury getting 12-0 for the death penalty are not all that good. My prediction, therefore, is that Arias will be sentenced to natural life.
The aggravating circumstance of cruelty was proven to the jury. In the penalty phase, they weigh that aggravating factor against any mitigating factors.

Arizona has had 5 mistrials in death penalty cases since 2002 when the jury started deciding the sentence as opposed to the judge. In 4 out of 5 of those mistrials, the case was retried and in 3 out of those 4, the new jury voted for death.

Two of the three alternate jurors have spoken publicly and they said they would have given her death as well.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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The aggravating circumstance of cruelty was proven to the jury. In the penalty phase, they weigh that aggravating factor against any mitigating factors.

Arizona has had 5 mistrials in death penalty cases since 2002 when the jury started deciding the sentence as opposed to the judge. In 4 out of 5 of those mistrials, the case was retried and in 3 out of those 4, the new jury voted for death.

Two of the three alternate jurors have spoken publicly and they said they would have given her death as well.
Do they know who the four holdouts for life were? I'm assuming one of them was the jury foreperson.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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The aggravating circumstance of cruelty was proven to the jury. In the penalty phase, they weigh that aggravating factor against any mitigating factors.

Arizona has had 5 mistrials in death penalty cases since 2002 when the jury started deciding the sentence as opposed to the judge. In 4 out of 5 of those mistrials, the case was retried and in 3 out of those 4, the new jury voted for death.

Two of the three alternate jurors have spoken publicly and they said they would have given her death as well.
It is up to the prosecution to prove the existence of the aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt. By the same token, it is up to the defense to prove mitigating factors. That is Arizona law.

Clearly, two thirds of the jury did not believe that the balance of aggravating and mitigating circumstances were sufficient to warrant the death penalty. That is fact, not speculation.

What the alternates would have voted is not relevant as 1) they didn't get a vote and 2) they will not be impanelled for the new jury.

As I already stated, if it had been just one or maybe two hold-outs then perhaps a new jury could be convinced by the prosecution. But four hold-outs is a lot and suggests that it will be hard for the prosecution to move the balance between aggravating and mitigating circumstances far enough to get a 12-0 for death.
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