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Old 06-13-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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You can actually be clinically insane and not be declared innocent for reason of insanity by the courts. Nutcase and crazy aren't clinically precise terms. The psychologist said Jodi had Borderline personality disorder among other issues most notably being a sociopath but a person can still be declared guilty of murder despite being clinically insane. Travis knew she was a sociopath as he said during one of their sexts “You couldn’t get off your lazy butt to read it could you. (sic) That’s the sociopath I know so well. It freakin’ figures.” A later text from Arias’ lover read: “I don’t want your apology, I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever happened to me.” based on this

I think Travis had mental issues of his own based on his relationship with his mother and women he dated since he kept seeing, sleeping, and encouraging this woman to be close to him despite knowing how dangerous she was and her mental issues.

Mixed messages, prevalent in DV related intimate partner dynamics. The dysfunction in back and forth, on again, off again relationships. They both had "issues" they needed to address.

 
Old 06-13-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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And don't forget what Travis told one of his friends, "Don't be surprised if one day you find me dead". He was engaged in self destructive behavior, and he was fully aware of it.

During the trial, Juan Martinez clearly stated the camera was brand new, priced at $1500.00. Travis's house was in foreclosure and his business of selling Prepaid legal was suffering. In a text to Jodi he mentioned he was "struggling to save his house, car and business".
Spending $1500.00 at that point to buy a new camera/video camera to make what Travis called "legitimate porn", shows a serious problem with financial responsibility.
Travis's finances link closely with his Mormon peer group, they were all members of Pre paid legal. They were his 'family'. He had constant pressure to recruit new Pre paid legal members, and especially targeted women to recruit.

I noticed in all the photo's of Travis especially the holidays, he is NEVER with a family member, no pics with Steven or any of the sisters, no group family photos. Perhaps this was because 5 of his 7 siblings were convicted felons, Perhaps the Church discourages keep close contact when family members are involved with illegal activity.I'm not sure.

Looks to me like his life was spiraling out of control from the constant pressure to 'keep up with the Jones' image. Jodi must of been an escape from the whole scene, an addiction, like a drug.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Out there somewhere...a traveling man.
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June 13, 2013 Defense want's Jodi's penalty phase postponed until Jan 2014.

Jodi Arias trial update: Arias defense team files motion to delay penalty phase
 
Old 06-13-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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For God's sake, Trinity, will you please let Travis rest in peace !!!!!!!!!!!! You constantly are looking for ways to twist him into some sort of a monster and it is frankly a little tiring. If this were your Son or Brother who was slaughtered you would have a totally different viewpoint, I bet. I hope you never have to go through what the Alexanders are going through.

What the hell does it matter if Travis was having financial problems (and we don't even know that for sure) ? The economy turned sour for a lot of people, and I bet not many 28 year olds own a house as nice as the one Travis was able to buy, or drove nice cars like he did, or have the ability to go on trips like he did. Travis had it pretty much together and had one thing in his life that was cockeyed, and that was JA. Every other aspect of his life was pretty sound, and he had the respect and love of all who knew him.

Your constant mud slinging only shows how shallow you are, and how little respect you have for the dead. Let's put YOUR life under a microscope and see what skeletons we can find in your closet. It is very easy to sit here and push keyboard keys and be holier than thou, but none of us lead perfect lives or make perfect decisions.........and that includes Travis..........and me as well.

Don

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Old 06-13-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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Jodi Arias bears 100% of the responsibility for killing Travis. Period. He did not invite her to kill him. The victim-blaming is pathetic and tired. And all of that nonsense about financial issues is probably copy/pasted verbatim from JodiAriasIsInnocent.com. It is a bunch of BS unless the person posting it has access to Travis's financial records, which I strongly doubt. It also has NOTHING to do with the murder committed by Jodi Arias.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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Since when is Travis family on trial?

Jodi is the cold blooded killer and slaughtered him, there is no excuse for her behavior and I didn't hear anything during the trial that changed my mind.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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I can't rep either of you again ... I gotta give more reps first. LOL

Three great posts in a row ... thank you Don1945, fruitlassie and bentlebee!

Nurmi and Willmott filed a motion yesterday to continue phase penalty ... they are asking for a delay until January 2014. I hope Judge Stephens denies this motion.

http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/ariasmotion.pdf

Arias wants to present witnesses during the mitigation ... I guess they realized she blew it with her book club, recycling, T-Shirts ... the me me me me me thing. LOL

Nurmi and Willmott have decided Arias is mentally ill. ROFL
 
Old 06-13-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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This isn't a memorial thread for Travis Alexander, it's a true crime thread. It takes two to tangle, Travis got the raw end of the dysfunctional relationship, and Jodi is in prison where she belongs, whether she gets the death penalty or not.

As far as Travis resting in peace, I quite sure he's just fine, in a much better place, with a ton more clarity and Love. If I choose to seek understanding on how things got to such an extreme consequence, I wouldn't consider that victim bashing.

I think there's much value to taking stalking seriously, for men and women, that has been brought to light from this trial. If I'm trying to understand why Travis continued a intimate relationship with Jodi as opposed to completing it and persuading other women, resulting in a murder, that's approved content for this thread. If I am interested in the psychology of the events leading up to the crime,other than just sex, then that's approved content for this thread as well.

The fact that Stephen used Travis's Identification after being arrested for a felony, bears some light on the level of family dysfunction and perhaps the estrangement Travis experienced. That's not victim bashing, in fact Travis may have been helping his siblings for all we know. I personally think his family's website having to compete for online funds with Chris and Sky Hugh's website is what is disrespectful to Travis..
 
Old 06-13-2013, 11:33 PM
 
Location: DC/NYC
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Most felons and persons with mental instabilities that result in them being murdered or murdering someone come from dysfunctional families or an environment with a lot of abuse. There is always something that went wrong in that person's life that caused things to escalate. This is a discussion about the Arias trial. Travis is in peace now wherever he is.
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For God's sake, Trinity, will you please let Travis rest in peace !!!!!!!!!!!! You constantly are looking for ways to twist him into some sort of a monster and it is frankly a little tiring. If this were your Son or Brother who was slaughtered you would have a totally different viewpoint, I bet. I hope you never have to go through what the Alexanders are going through.

What the hell does it matter if Travis was having financial problems (and we don't even know that for sure) ? The economy turned sour for a lot of people, and I bet not many 28 year olds own a house as nice as the one Travis was able to buy, or drove nice cars like he did, or have the ability to go on trips like he did. Travis had it pretty much together and had one thing in his life that was cockeyed, and that was JA. Every other aspect of his life was pretty sound, and he had the respect and love of all who knew him.

Your constant mud slinging only shows how shallow you are, and how little respect you have for the dead. Let's put YOUR life under a microscope and see what skeletons we can find in your closet. It is very easy to sit here and push keyboard keys and be holier than thou, but none of us lead perfect lives or make perfect decisions.........and that includes Travis..........and me as well.

Don
 
Old 06-14-2013, 12:54 AM
 
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This seems to remain an emotionally charged case, and I understand that.

This thread has been following the case even before it went to trial, and from the looks how long it takes it going to drag on a whole lot longer.

I think we all have different focuses on this thread and to clarify:

My interest and focus are:

Criminal Psychology; the WHY, the study of the wills, thoughts, intentions and reactions of criminals.

Criminal Anthropology; the deeper study of WHAT makes someone commit a crime, also the reactions AFTER the crime, on the run or in court.

Forensic Psychology; where Psychology and the JUSTICE System intersect. The Forensic Psychologist determines whether the defendant is mentally competent to stand trial or not. The court also frequently appoints a forensic psychologist to assess the state of mind of the defendant at the time of the offense.

Some people on this thread may be more interested in the legal proceedings and nuisances of the trial, and some may have personal interests or related experiences, ect. ect.

I understand some people don't care one bit in the WHY???, just that justice is served, or just that Jodi was born pure evil, that's why. All that is fine with me, I've NEVER personally attacked any poster on this thread.

But, if anyone adds information and insight as to the whole picture, I'm very interested in seeing all the puzzle pieces come together and form a clearer picture of toxic relationships and violence.
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