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Old 04-08-2013, 11:04 PM
 
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I don't remember him throwing anything. I could picture a scenario where maybe he was gesticulating while talking and a pen could accidentally fly out of his hand...lol. But I really don't believe he would have purposely thrown an object at someone.

What was all that about a manifesto Jodi wrote in jail? Is that where she claimed to have an IQ higher than Einstein?

That was news to me too ... the first jail she was in she was signing a manifesto ... autographs for the inmates because she was going to be famous ... so each of the jailbirds would have her autograph.

She was bragging about how high her IQ was ... I do not know who tested her IQ unless it was Samuels ... but supposedly she was telling everyone she was smarter or as smart as Einstein. I assume this happened in jail thus she was bragging to the other inmates. In court today when that was brought up she started laughing. Willmott's head snapped around and Arias whispered something to her.

Also ... do you recall any mention of her having a girlfriend ... I mean romantic involvement girlfriend in prison?

I just hope the jurors see ALV spent 44 hours with Arias and every note she took, every word was straight from Arias. The expert didn't take the time to contact the other women named at all ... nor her parents ... not even the one in jail that was in charge of the manifesto (her name was mentioned in court today.) How can a professional arrive at a diagnosis without questioning every thing? But she was probably doing what the DT told her to do.

 
Old 04-08-2013, 11:18 PM
 
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This is a crazy case....and it keeps going on and on and on. Clearly she's guilty so I don't understand why this trial hasn't wrapped up yet. One of my customers lives near where Travis was killed and I pass by the house each month...That's what got me kind of interested in it. But it's really dragging on!!
 
Old 04-08-2013, 11:52 PM
 
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This is a crazy case....and it keeps going on and on and on. Clearly she's guilty so I don't understand why this trial hasn't wrapped up yet. One of my customers lives near where Travis was killed and I pass by the house each month...That's what got me kind of interested in it. But it's really dragging on!!
I agree. I believe the judge is letting them go on and on and on b/c she knows they will appeal any type of a guilty verdict, despite the fact ARIAS admitting to killing him. This was suppose to be over by the end of this week, I believe.

It's hard listening to Samuels or ALV gone on and on hour after hour......

MSR
 
Old 04-08-2013, 11:59 PM
 
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Whether they found the bullets or not, it doesn't take a genius to look at the sequence of events and the caliber used to kill Travis and put two and two together. Even if you completely disregard every piece of evidence related to the gun, think about those stab wounds to his back and the slashed throat. In no way does self-defense excuse any of that. The knife would not have been upstairs to cut rope for sex play because there was no way she could have been tied up the way she claimed, and there was no rope in any of the photos. She had to have brought the knife herself, so it still shows premeditation.
Good post fruitlassie. Sorry I couldn't rep you.

It's almost like there is too much evidence so instead of just focusing on the wound to the heart blood vessel or wounds elsewhere, let alone a slashed throat and stabbed in the back, let alone a bullet in the head, to keep the jury reminded they are there to evaluate the EVIDENCE not just opinions of the hired guns.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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Plus, she wasn't just going to Arizona where she had been several times before, she was driving to Utah. I don't know if she'd driven there before, but if she hadn't it would make sense to carry extra gas just in case. I know I've done that when traveling alone especially. And, if she was driving on Sunday, it's sometimes hard to find an open station in some areas of Utah.
I agree in theory, Lilly, but think about the road. Think about this in reverse, if possible, as it may make the points I'm trying to make a little easier to understand.

First, with the Mesquite, NV being 40 miles from St. George, I struggle to believe gas wouldn't be believe where Casinos and spa-level hotels are tourist destinations.

Secondly, maybe it would help some to pull up your favorite map tool and look at the distance between St. George, UT and Mesquite (40 miles) or to Las Vegas, NV - about 120 miles.

You'll notice that to get from St. George, UT to NV, a person traveling in a vehicle has to travel THROUGH a portion of ARIZONA to get to NV. Check it out if you haven't seen it before.

It matters because you've got Casinos in Mesquite and many workers live in St. George and other communities in the area. There is gas available daily 24/7 for the number of people traveling to St. George.

Finally, I don't think ARIAS had driven to UT herself before, but I'm not sure. I think some of her MySpace pics were from Bryce and other National Canyons in southern UT. Locals tend to indicate she had been in the Salt Lake City metro area many times before as she would crash their events.

The only way ARIAS could not find access to fuel on I-15 from St. George to West Jordan (Metro Salt Lake City), would be to not drive on I-15. She may well have taken a detour or two on back roads in the Fillmore or Beaver area if she had things she wanted to dump. Then I could understand her needing cans for fuel. I'm not saying she did or didn't venture away from I-15, I don't know. I just know too many who drive those roads daily/nightly and always can find fuel.

I can't speak about fuel availability in AZ from Mesa to St. George.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 12:30 AM
 
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Did anybody ... anyone present watch the bitter end of the trial on Thursday ... I mean after the judge dismissed the jury ... then dismissed the witness ... you have to watch this on the Arizona local TV stations not HLN. Arizona locals don't hang the Arizona sign on the monitor until Elvis leaves the building.

Court is DISMISSED ...courtroom is emptying ... the judge then asked the attorneys if they have anything else or something like that (she does that every day) .... Juan Martinez asked to speak to the judge ASAP ... Nurmi turned and said 'what I didn't hear that" ... Juan said "I have a matter to speak about" ... the judge said ok and pointed with her hand toward the door and told them to meet her in the hallway.

This is all true I heard every word of this ... except I just threw in Elvis leaving the building. Cause he's alive and well in WVA.

What was so important that Juan Martinez needed to speak to the judge ASAP????

He only had about 35-40 minutes on Thursday to question Alyce so he didn't get into the meaty part and threw out the Snow White to kill time until Monday when he can egomanically stomp Alyce.

So on Twitter I have picked up that Alyce LaViolette on her way out of court approached Samantha Alexander, Travis' sister (Sam) where she was still seated in that end seat in the courtroom. LaViolette said a few words to her as she was exiting the courtroom and did a shoulder shrug. This was immediately reported to Juan Martinez.

So Monday could be very interesting if that did happen.
Interesting.... I'll keep reading to find out what happened.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 12:41 AM
 
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Fruitlassie, I cannot rep you again (yet), but consider my post a Rep to you!

I believe Juan got his point across that Jodi lied AFTER killing Travis, which is when Alyce interviewed her.

Someone doesn't become a good liar overnight. Jodi had plenty of practice, I believe.

And what the heck was that 'apology' all about?!?!
ARIAS' ongoing sexual activity with anyone, after she was baptized into the Mormon church, is a great example of her lying.

I agree ARIAS had plenty of practice of lying. I wonder if those are some of the "issues" she has with her mom etc.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 12:53 AM
 
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That was news to me too ... the first jail she was in she was signing a manifesto ... autographs for the inmates because she was going to be famous ... so each of the jailbirds would have her autograph.

She was bragging about how high her IQ was ... I do not know who tested her IQ unless it was Samuels ... but supposedly she was telling everyone she was smarter or as smart as Einstein. I assume this happened in jail thus she was bragging to the other inmates. In court today when that was brought up she started laughing. Willmott's head snapped around and Arias whispered something to her.

Also ... do you recall any mention of her having a girlfriend ... I mean romantic involvement girlfriend in prison?

I just hope the jurors see ALV spent 44 hours with Arias and every note she took, every word was straight from Arias. The expert didn't take the time to contact the other women named at all ... nor her parents ... not even the one in jail that was in charge of the manifesto (her name was mentioned in court today.) How can a professional arrive at a diagnosis without questioning every thing? But she was probably doing what the DT told her to do.
A little narcissism - ARIAS as smart as Einstein - some psychologist or many would have to have that info documented in her standardized psychological testing. Let's hear what her I.Q. is.

This is an interesting paragraph from an article in psychology today about Narcissists and why they can be so hard to identify. I'm not saying ARIAS is a NPD, I've always said many of the PD display common symptoms. Just an interesting read in thinking about the testimony of some to date:

" A cross section of the narcissist's ego will reveal high levels of self-esteem, grandiosity, self-focus, and self-importance. They think they are more physically attractive and intelligent than just about everyone, and would rather be admired than liked. They are enraged when told they aren't beautiful or brilliant but aren't affected much if told they are jerks." from "How to Spot a Narcissist," Psychology Today, http://www.psychologytoday.com/artic...pot-narcissist

Some of that sure seems like what I've heard from this trial.

And yes, it is funny how information about the in-jail girlfriend information doesn't ever seem to be questioned. Who knows, maybe it's not true. Maybe it was just a way to divert attention from important facts.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 06:02 AM
 
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Yes, Lurker#5, oops I mean, Juror #5 returned to courtroom as observer. She's not sitting closest to the jury, yet she's in clear view of the jury. The defense motioned for the jury to be sequestered this morning but the motion was denied.
Thanks trinity1111. I couldn't rep you - sorry. Your post was the first one that told me what had happened. Honestly, in retrospect compared to some moments in this marathon, it wasn't such a bad time to not have internet access consistently, nor see any HLN shows.

I am getting weary of trying to list all the apparent attempts of DT to get this declared a mistrial or establish another reasons for an appeal. I honestly feel badly for the tax payers of AZ!

In an appeal trial, can you imagine what the taxpayers will say/think knowing the cost of "experts" such as Samuels and ALV?

Thanks for your post. It helps to get some of us caught up when the facts are confirmed.

MSR
 
Old 04-09-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Arias is not just delusional, she's also demented! Of course she has her supporters too. The people who post at her support page act like she's Mother Theresa!lol
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