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Old 04-10-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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JM is ripping this expert witness apart. Great job! Justice for Travis. JM is Travis voice. What a great prosecutor!

 
Old 04-10-2013, 12:38 PM
 
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What is an important lesson we could learn from this travesty?? Don't have sex for 8 hours with your stalker!!
Stalker being Jodi!
 
Old 04-10-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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Juan's doing a great job outlining Jodi as a stalker. If Travis was so close and well loved by his family and friends, and they were concerned about Jodi being dangerous, why didn't the sister who is a cop support Travis in taking appropriate measures:
-Restraining Order
-Changing locks on door and code on garage
-Make police reports on alleged incidences,ie slashing of tires, trespassing on property
-Clearly state to Jodi via text messages,im's,emails that he wants no further contact, and that he
will not respond to her at all,as well as report any attempt of contact to police
-Follow thru on maintaining no contact or communication of any sort, and reporting any incidences immediately.

Travis doesn't need a voice, his actions and lack of actions speak loud and clear. His intent and behavior was to have his cake and eat it too. Travis didn't protect himself, or other members of his household. Buying a $1500 camera to take what he phrased "legitimate porn", and enjoyed 8 hours of sex play...he choose to play with fire...
 
Old 04-10-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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He did report the tire slashing to the police. He did tell her to leave him alone on multiple occasions. He told his friends that if anything happened to him, it was because of her.

She moved back to California and made a special trip to Arizona so she could murder him.

Nobody deserves to die because they failed to get a restraining order and with someone as deranged as Jodi, it wouldn't have made any difference. Should he still have engaged in sex with her? No, but even if he did not let her in the house that day willingly, she would still have climbed through the doggie door and murdered him. Nice attempt at victim blaming.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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I just don't see a true 'victim' here. I personally don't see Jodi or Travis as a 'victim". I see 2 adults who each consciously made a series of continuing bad decisions. Their choices led to horrific consequences.

Many people who had challenging childhoods grow up and consciously choose and manifest a better life for themselves.
Niether Jodi or Travis had children to raise or finance. Yet they both failed financially. I fail to see Travis as a victim of Jodi's sexual manipulation beyond control of himself. I fail to see Jodi as a victim of childhood abuse or domestic abuse. These 2 adults choose their actions, again and again, in my opinion.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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Men very rarely go to the police as victims of domestic violence. There is a huge stigma.

I think Travis was distancing himself from Jodi, but was not aware of the depth of her mental issues.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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I just don't see a true 'victim' here. I personally don't see Jodi or Travis as a 'victim". I see 2 adults who each consciously made a series of continuing bad decisions. Their choices led to horrific consequences.

Many people who had challenging childhoods grow up and consciously choose and manifest a better life for themselves.
Niether Jodi or Travis had children to raise or finance. Yet they both failed financially. I fail to see Travis as a victim of Jodi's sexual manipulation beyond control of himself. I fail to see Jodi as a victim of childhood abuse or domestic abuse. These 2 adults choose their actions, again and again, in my opinion.
No, he didn't choose to be murdered. No matter whether he gave her mixed signals and no matter if he continued to have sex with her after they broke up, none of it excuses what she did. HE IS A MURDER VICTIM.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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I just don't see a true 'victim' here.
Wow, I almost choked while reading this.

Did you ask Travis if he felt like a victim? Or is it just your opinion that Travis was not a victim?

 
Old 04-10-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Re-direct.

Here we go with the 'impressions' again...

I can't wait for the Jury questions!
 
Old 04-10-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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What I'm saying is: I think Travis was flirting with disaster, and I think he was fully aware of it.

He was a likable guy, well respected. But his business was on a downward spiral. The enormous pressure to keep recruiting new Pre Paid Legal Account while keeping a successful appearance was only matched by the pressure to find a wife by age 30.
To clear 60k annually, he had to continuously recruit new accounts, and stay on top of all his downline to recruit. Apparently by his own texts he was struggling... "trying to save my business..."..."save my house". The house was into the foreclosure process, and he was accepting multiple roommates to try to bail it out. His car was having mechanical issues.I think he had an image to keep up, therefor didn't short sale,the logical solution.
Travis even began asking the various women he was dating to sign up for Pre Paid Legal, or if they had any contacts for him to sign up for pre paid legal.
I think Travis was spiraling down into desperation, and was exhibiting self destructive behavior and choices.

No, I don't think he deserved to be murdered, but I think he knew he was walking a thin line.
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