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Old 04-07-2013, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Sure would save us a lot of money. Your thoughts?
Sadly no. He's a loon. That, or, if he ever breaks that 1,000 yard traumatized combat stare off his face that we continually see on TV, he might win an academy award for faking it.

Either way, he's going to a small cage with 1 hour for exercise for a long, long, long time.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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He blatantly planned and enacted mass slaughter in public against a group of innocent civilians. Was he right of mind? Of course not. Nobody sane would engage in such sociopathic activity without affect. He should be punished to the fullest extent. There is no doubt about his motives and no reason to deem him a victim of his own mind. Also, the court has to keep in mind a sense of relativity, whether they can soundly judge pre-conceived homicide to be punishable comparatively to accidental vehicular manslaughter.

"Sociopathic" and "mentally ill" are almost opposites, though. A mentally ill person is suffering from, you know, depression or voices in his head or what have you and he may or may not know what he's doing. Sociopaths are not mentally ill and not suffering from anything but being weak on right and wrong. They know exactly what they're doing and they feel good about it.

People who do this stuff for zany policial or religious reasons, like the guy who opened fire on a class of mostly-female engineering students because feminists suck -- are not crazy, just idiots.

The thing a lot of people don't realize about mental illness is that even if you have it in spades, it may not get you out of anything. If he stabilizes well with treatment, he can participate in his own defense and may be tried and convicted as if he were fully OK. A lot of mental illnesses, like Dysthymia, multiple personalities or OCD, won't get you out of anything legally. And it's all up to the jury unless he asks for a bench trial. Remember Albert Fish? he used to beat himself with a nail-studded paddle, howl at the moon, declare himself Jesus Christ, the whole nine yards, and the jury asked for the death penalty. they said yeah, he's crazy but he's just too dangerous. And he'd been let out of several mental hospitals as perfectly OK.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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His defense team will probably go with mentally ill or insanity defense. Didn't he warn the police to be careful going into his apartment?
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:09 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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"Sociopathic" and "mentally ill" are almost opposites, though. A mentally ill person is suffering from, you know, depression or voices in his head or what have you and he may or may not know what he's doing. Sociopaths are not mentally ill and not suffering from anything.
He's definitely suffering from mental illness and he's probably a lot more than clinically depressed. "Sociopathy"--a criminal term--falls into the psychiatric description of Antisocial Personality Disorder, according to the DSM-IV (in the process of revision). It's an Axis II disorder; there's not a lot of hope for treatment. He also may be have paranoid schizophrenia, which is a very severe mental disorder. While there are medications for schizophrenia, he sounds as if he has many other problems with psychotic and mood disorders.

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The thing a lot of people don't realize about mental illness is that even if you have it in spades, it may not get you out of anything. If he stabilizes well with treatment, he can participate in his own defense and may be tried and convicted as if he were fully OK...
It's unlikely that there's any treatment for everything he has. He'll most likely end up like Jared Loughner, of the Tucson shooting, unable to defend himself due to his mental illnesses.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:35 AM
 
Location: North America
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Sure would save us a lot of money. Your thoughts?

I don't think the guy is mentally competent to stand trial.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I hope he does it would save us tax payers money. but like the other posters have said it would take years to execute his ass
Keeping a prisoner on death row is 2-3 times more expensive than keeping the same prisoner in general population. Life without parole prisoners usually do their time in Gen Pop unless they get into trouble or their crimes are especially heinous enough to cause a fear for their life in Gen Pop.

Why is death row so much more expensive? Closer supervision. Many more guards needed. Legal appeals which cost us all a lot more money and can go on for over 20 years. Special requests. Greater likelihood of mental and/or physical problems that develop due to the close incarceration. Higher transportation costs to and from court.

Given that Holmes was so delusional that he had to be medicated for 9 months before he was capable of appearing before a judge to plead, and given his widely observed mental disintegration just before the shooting, I think the odds of a plea of insanity are pretty darned good. And I know jurors don't like to condemn clearly insane people to death in the US.

Colorado, like most of the Western states, has a bloody past, when the death penalty was handed out freely and executions were rapid. Most of the western states are now reluctant to hand down the death penalty except for the worst murders. Holmes certainly qualifies in that regard, but he was very delusional, unlike most murderers who receive the death penalty.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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You're right, and a lot of people don't realize this. It's actually affecting sentencing in some states:

To execute or not: A question of cost? - US news - Crime & courts | NBC News

I don't think it is addressing that like most of America, people are living longer. While I think this was certainly true in the 50's, 60's and 70's, maybe not so much any longer. Of course, the increase in legal fees has probably kept pace or worse, gone up even higher than the cost to incarcerate a guy like this for upwards of 50 or 60 years.

After all, he's "entitled" to the best healthcare we can buy.....they could keep this hump living for at least 50 years....NOT counting inflation? Kind of like a bad investment that never pays....

Would it be too much to have the inmates picking up trash 6 days a week/52 weeks a year.
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