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Old 04-25-2013, 06:31 AM
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I saw the mother on TV today talking about, paraphrasing here, that she sent her sons to America to be away from violence, to be "safer." Well, umm, her sons created the situation, not America. I guess she's upset and has to vent maybe. Sad for their parents though, they didn't want this I'm sure.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:40 AM
 
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It seems to me the younger brother will blame his older sibling, and we will have a parade of 'specialists', attesting to some sort of 'older brother symdrome', or something like this. Who knows? He may even say he had no clue a out the bombs.

Three people are dead. Many injured. One man lost both of his legs.

Would this young man have a fair trial in Boston?

Does our system of justice work for terrorists?
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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It seems to me the younger brother will blame his older sibling, and we will have a parade of 'specialists', attesting to some sort of 'older brother symdrome', or something like this. Who knows? He may even say he had no clue a out the bombs.

Three people are dead. Many injured. One man lost both of his legs.

Would this young man have a fair trial in Boston?

Does our system of justice work for terrorists?
I'm not aware of any people charged with terrorism who were found innocent. On the other hand, I can point to scores who are in jail for very long sentences.

Sounds to me like the system is working. There is nothing that would justify the kind of cynicism that this post portrays.

No, I don't think its relevant to refer to something like the Casey Anthony case either and claim that the proves the whole system is a failure either.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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The wife of the brother that was killed is spoken of like we need to feel sorry for her converting to Islam.

Well I'm not sorry at all for an adult who chose to marry this guy and I don't believe the guy ever spoke highly of the USA at home and she knew it. Guilty by association in my opinion. The child is the innocent in this but if I see a cute 8 year old boy, standing happy on the side watching the Marathon and than blow to pieces, than there is nothing to me that feels sorry for the murderers family.
The part of our brain that makes rational decisions does not fully mature, often, until we are well into our twenties. The girl's parents disliked the guy. He seemed controlling and evidently the daughter was easily lead. She was stupid enough to agree to join a religion that made her a second class citizen. She took to wearing Muslim attire. Her friends said her personality changed.

I think if she, growing up, had been a more defiant kid, going through that stage in which kids 'find themselves', maybe she would have told the guy to walk.

At any rate, I think she is fully cooperating with authorities and will someday reach a point where she'll look back in horror at the decisions she made when she was young.

She is talking to the feds and fed cars are following hers around. I think they fear repercussions from the Muslim community for her blabbing. Also, if she leaves the faith (and probably will, when she comes to her senses fully), isn't the Koran penalty death? She really may be in danger and we should be supportive, if that is the case.

Most of us has been young and impressionable during some stage in their youth. Gratefully, we do not meet a control freak with a cause during that period.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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It's hard to believe that so many of their family members had no idea what the brothers were up to. It makes you wonder how well they really knew each other. Obviously the uncle and one of the sisters had a clue, and distanced themselves from them.
First of all, lying is not a taboo in some cultures as in others.

Secondly, someone made the observation that the entire family came into the US as refugees from a regime that was persecuting them. THEN, the parents went back. What, was the persecution ended, and if it did, why were the sons staying here?

Does anyone remember the news articles where the father said his son was a second year medical student? What bs! It's an insult to our intelligence.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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The part of our brain that makes rational decisions does not fully mature, often, until we are well into our twenties. The girl's parents disliked the guy. He seemed controlling and evidently the daughter was easily lead. She was stupid enough to agree to join a religion that made her a second class citizen. She took to wearing Muslim attire. Her friends said her personality changed.

I think if she, growing up, had been a more defiant kid, going through that stage in which kids 'find themselves', maybe she would have told the guy to walk.

At any rate, I think she is fully cooperating with authorities and will someday reach a point where she'll look back in horror at the decisions she made when she was young.

She is talking to the feds and fed cars are following hers around. I think they fear repercussions from the Muslim community for her blabbing. Also, if she leaves the faith (and probably will, when she comes to her senses fully), isn't the Koran penalty death? She really may be in danger and we should be supportive, if that is the case.

Most of us has been young and impressionable during some stage in their youth. Gratefully, we do not meet a control freak with a cause during that period.
Alayna Ahmad: Are Muslim Women Really Second Class Citizens?

"The Quran recognises the childbearing and childrearing roles of women, but does not present women as inferior to or unequal to men. On the contrary, central to Islamic belief is the importance and high value placed on education. From the true Islamic point of view education should be freely and equally available to women as much as men. Thus, if the Quran is correctly followed it will inevitably lead to progress and to the full emancipation of women."

Just cutting through the myth of people who twisted a religion.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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Please stay focused on Boston Bombing. Discussion on Islam faith, and equality or lack thereof for women will be moderated.

Discussions on Islam faith, and threads on this topic are more appropriate for religion discussion.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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First of all, lying is not a taboo in some cultures as in others.
You're right....and now it looks as if the mother has been lying.

"-- Russia raised concerns to U.S. authorities about Zubeidat Tsarnaev, the mother of the Boston Marathon bombings suspects, in 2011 at the same time they asked the United States about her son Tamerlan, several sources told CNN.
-- U.S. authorities added both the mother and son to the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or TIDE, database -- a collection of more than a half million names maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center, an intelligence official said.
-- FBI agents interviewed the mother as part of the investigation into Tamerlan Tsarnaev, whose case was closed after several months."
Latest developments in the Boston bombing investigation - CNN.com

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someone made the observation that the entire family came into the US as refugees from a regime that was persecuting them. THEN, the parents went back. What, was the persecution ended, and if it did, why were the sons staying here?
Exactly.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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Latest developments in the Boston bombing investigation - CNN.com

CNN spells "Kazakhstan" wrong. Why am I not surprised? *SMH*
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I'm still not sure about what to think. Tonight on my FB page someone from another country posted news that said one of the boys/men was unarmed when aprehended, I didn't go to the page but I think the poster put that there because she has some doubts too and it struck me that maybe in other countries there might be plenty of people who feel that way...

It's really very difficult for me to believe anything in U.S. media these days, I sadly woke up to the truth that we are fed what the government thinks we need to know after 9/11. People I chatted with from different parts of the world kept telling me our news were "sanitized" and I would get upset and try to argue back, but was left with the doubt. Then 2 years later I got to travel abroad and saw exactly what they meant, the news in other places are more "raw", videos more detailed, not edited to death like it's done here. I also researched some things I'd been told about our international policies and practices in other countries and became quite disappointed when I saw that they were right. Today I believe it's really worthless most of the time to form opinions by watching TV or reading newspapers, AM radio (at least several years ago...) was more trustworthy, and today we have the internet but, of course, we have to be careful about the source(s), but sometimes watching news reports given in other countries show videos with parts that we have not been allowed to see here (so much for freedom of the press, but then they're in on it, so...).
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