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Old 04-21-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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Try again. Neglect? Nope. Abuse of any type? Nope?

You'd have no grounds. And unfortunately because of the way the law is written he'd have no recourse for you filing a false report.

You're a very frightened individual aren't you?

Oh, have you ever been on a farm? Where 6 year olds drive a tractor. Or in a state where 12 year olds can take said tractor, or other motorized farm vehicle, on the roads?
Frightened for the child and anyone who he may shoot YES. I live in a rural area.

I just called the police in my area fact my police station said they are contacting CD. . I HAVE A CASE. END OF STORY!
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Why does a 4-year-old need to handle and shoot firearms? Riding a big wheel, playing in a sandbox, learning to swim, etc. wasn't exciting enough? I'm sorry, but that sounds really extreme and irresponsible to me, putting a gun in a small child's hands, supervised or not.

A gun was built with one purpose in mind - to KILL! They are not toys. the very idea of a FOUR YEAR OLD and a GUN makes me ILL!!!
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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Sad and unbelievably irresponsible parenting IMO
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Frightened for the child and anyone who he may shoot YES. I live in a rural area.

I just called the police in my area fact my police station said they are contacting CD. . I HAVE A CASE. END OF STORY!
Right.
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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some children and adults should never be handling firearms.
all my children have been handling and shooting firearms since age 4 under my supervision.
my 2 younger daughters at home have their own firearms that they can use and use responsibly. they also know the responsibility and dangers of having and using a firearm.

just so you know, I am a certified firearms instructor and range master. my daughters have all had the best training I could provide or buy for them if I could not train it to them.
Ludicrous. A child is still a child...they do not have the ability to think and react to the point of trusting them w/ a loaded firearm. You are a trained person. Certification obviously doesn't count for much if you had to go through certification, yet your children are barely toddlers at 4 handling loaded firearms...Are your children old enough at 4 to be certified? I pray that you never regret this.
Check your own state's laws...allowing children to handle guns is considered child neglect. Give that some thought. Below...State Laws on Child Abuse and Neglect link....
Scroll down to page 13...Neglect:Exposure to Hazards https://www.childwelfare.gov/edtoolk...eglect_ch2.pdf

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Old 04-21-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Try again. Neglect? Nope. Abuse of any type? Nope?

You'd have no grounds. And unfortunately because of the way the law is written he'd have no recourse for you filing a false report.

You're a very frightened individual aren't you?

Oh, have you ever been on a farm? Where 6 year olds drive a tractor. Or in a state where 12 year olds can take said tractor, or other motorized farm vehicle, on the roads?
I posted a link. It is considered Neglect under Child Abuse and Neglect Laws. Please see my post above.

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Old 04-21-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I posted a link. It is considered Neglect under Child Abuse and Neglect Laws. Please see my post above.
Did you read you link and norm it with what MonkeyWrenching said?

Because I don't really feel like bouncing between windows I'll summarize: the firearms portion is about unsecured/loaded firearms in the house. Nothing about what he described, which a reading would have made clear. Unless he was target shooting in the house, which I doubt
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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I did read the link...That is why I supplied the link. I quoted your post, I am responding with my link and my opinions.
Looks like you summarized leaving out some important language....Here...I'm happy to help:
State Laws on Child Abuse and Neglect link....

Scroll down to page 13...Neglect:Exposure to Hazards https://www.childwelfare.gov/edtoolk...eglect_ch2.pdf

QUOTE:
Exposure to hazards.

Examples of exposure to
in- and out-of-home hazards include:
Guns and other weapons—guns that are kept
in the house that are loaded and not locked
up or are in reach of children; UNQUOTE




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Old 04-21-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Here...I'm happy to help...You left out quite a bit:
State Laws on Child Abuse and Neglect link....

Scroll down to page 13...Neglect:Exposure to Hazards https://www.childwelfare.gov/edtoolk...eglect_ch2.pdf

QUOTE:
Exposure to hazards.
Examples of exposure to
in- and out-of-home hazards include:
Guns and other weapons—guns that are kept
in the house that are loaded and not locked
up or are in reach of children; UNQUOTE

And your interpretation is stretching. Let's face it, very few Courts would take on a case of a father charged with neglect for shooting with his kid under controlled situations. You also ignore the operative phrase preceding your underlining-in the house.

And, once again, just because you're afraid of things don't extrapolate to everyone. The night is dark and full of terrors.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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It wouldn't be my interpretation you'd need to be concerned with. That was a quote. People can read the link for themselves. Just sayin..........

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