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Old 06-11-2013, 01:22 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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This is disgusting. It's no wonder our health care in this country is so expensive with this going on and you know this is not an isolated event. Wonder if the doctors named will be appropriately punished or just a slap on the wrist?

Corrupt Lab Boss: Hundreds of Doctors Took Bribes to Help Steal Millions from Medicare | NBC New York
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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It is disgusting and I'm going to make you a bet NK. You'll see virtually no responses to this thread either.

The reason that you'll see no response is that white collar crime--on even a gigantic level--doesn't bother most people. Even when the effect of that crime is to help push healthcare prices to an insane level people will always choose to read about something else.

Imagine, two stories placed side by side in a newspaper with a large circulation. These are the titles of the two stories:

1. Businessman indicted on 14 counts for defrauding Medicare of $10 billion;

2. Thirty-two year old man arrested in slaying of ten year old girl.

Which story do you think will be read by the most people? Story, #2 will be read by 5 to 10 times as many people as read story #1 for the simple reason that people have an emotional and visceral reaction to violent crime. All the conversation you will hear at your friend's houses, at work, and at parties will be about #2. If people mention story #1 at all, you may be surprised at what you hear. Many will dwell on the fact that the perpetrator of the fraud was a "respectable man" with a wife and family. What worries the most, is that I think on a certain level a large number of people actually identify with the man who perpetrated the fraud or white collar crime. They wish they had "the brains", "the finesse", or "the connections" to commit this sort of crime. There is actually a fairly substantial segment of the public that secretly admires a white collar criminal.

You will never see a story on the ID Channel on Satellite t.v. about the Enron Scandal or something similar. You will see 15 year old murder cases explored in exquisite detail.

What so many fail to get is that these huge fraud schemes may not result in someone's death, but they have a a huge effect on the lives of maybe even millions of people. In that sense, they are more significant than a homicide is. Bernie Madoff embezzled millions from people trying to invest for their retirement. I wonder how many people will have impoverished senior years because of him? Madoff's embezzlement scheme got some attention, but most get very little.

Let's sit back now and see how many people want to post on this topic.
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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What worries the most, is that I think on a certain level a large number of people actually identify with the man who perpetrated the fraud or white collar crime. They wish they had "the brains", "the finesse", or "the connections" to commit this sort of crime. There is actually a fairly substantial segment of the public that secretly admires a white collar criminal.

I see these topics discussed in Politics and Other Controversies and Great Debates.

The greed in healthcare and pharma's started the downward spiral long ago. The average person's unhappy about it and place the issue in the governments lap.

You lost me Mark after the sweeping statement above.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I work in a LTC/Rehab facility and I'm all part of the fraud, each and everyday, but how to prove it!!!

Medicare allows someone released from a Hospital 100 days of Rehab. Even if there's no chance ever of this person being rehabbed, into Rehab they go! And there's those who should have been released many days before the 100 days are up! Yup! Keep them there right up until the 100th day!

LTC facilities simply can't make it today with the cutbacks with Medicaid. A total Medicaid facility near mine has just spent a ton of money to convert part of their facility into a Rehab unit for Medicare!

I'm sure there's any number of facilities across the country doing this each and everyday! Grab what you can before the ship sinks!! Medicare police where art thou!!!

And let's not go there: the over-prescriping of drugs to benefit Big Pharma!

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Old 06-13-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Medicare allows someone released from a Hospital 100 days of Rehab. Even if there's no chance ever of this person being rehabbed, into Rehab they go! And there's those who should have been released many days before the 100 days are up! Yup! Keep them there right up until the 100th day!
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I think it is a difficult issue and have to be determined case by case. How does the patient feel? How does the patient's family feel? They probably feel that they are entitled to do the rehab.
Regarding each test, which test is unnecessary and which test is necessary? A doctor can be sued for not prescribing certain tests. I don't think a doctor will risk his license to prescribe a test without any basis and a patientís consent.
I am not saying it wonít happen but I doubt it is as simple as the news stated.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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We don't need Obama care just clean up and changes so everybody can buy health care over state borders and the fraud will be gone after like in the OP post.

With less or no fraud there will much more money available.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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We don't need Obama care just clean up and changes so everybody can buy health care over state borders and the fraud will be gone after like in the OP post.

With less or no fraud there will much more money available.
Not the topic. But, I will say that even if you eliminate $150 billion of fraud a year this is about 1% of the total cost of healthcare. Fraud is a problem, but the real reason healthcare costs so much is that the salaries for the people working in healthcare are among the highest in the economy, the cutting edge technology we all demand in healthcare is "state of the art" and state of the art is extraordinarily expensive, and our expectations as consumers are simply too high. Healthcare costs are about 16% of our total GDP now and its not declining.

Anyway, don't use this forum to tell us we don't need Obamacare, use one on topic to do that. Thanks.
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