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Old 11-27-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Buffalo
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While violence among citizens has dropped, violence against citizens carried out by police has been rising sharply.

FBI Report: Americans Less Violent than Ever, Except for Police | The Free Thought Project

According to new FBI statistics, violent crime rates in the US fell over 4% in the past year alone, bringing the amount of violent crimes lower than it has been in nearly 40 years. The statistics showed that there were an estimated 1.16 million violent crimes in the year of 2013, which is the lowest number since 1978, when 1.09 million were recorded.

Broken down, the report revealed that manslaughter dropped by 4.4% to 14,196, the lowest rate since 1968, while instances of rape were down 6.3%. Despite the tough economic times, robbery is also down by 2.8% and property crimes were down by 4.1%.

However, a study recently published by Pew Charitable Trusts showed that for the first time in decades, the US prison population is actually on a decline. Their research found that the drop in crime that was seen in 2013 actually coincided with a decline in the prison population. According to their data, the amount of people in the US prison system peaked in 2008, and has since dropped 6%.

Even among those who are technically “guilty” of breaking some law, a vast majority of prisoners are nonviolent offenders who don’t belong in prison to begin with. According to some statistics, nonviolent offenders make up nearly 70% of the prison population, many of these people are not guilty of any transgression, and they are in fact themselves victims of state violence.

I can not envision a more serious, peacetime threat to America, than the growing distrust between it's citizens and it's law enforcement and government.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Even among those who are technically “guilty” of breaking some law, a vast majority of prisoners are nonviolent offenders who don’t belong in prison to begin with. According to some statistics, nonviolent offenders make up nearly 70% of the prison population, many of these people are not guilty of any transgression, and they are in fact themselves victims of state violence.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Militarization of police, police recruited from ex-military trained people. Training soldiers to be killers is what the military has to do. That training carries over, not always for the best as police officers!
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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So basically if some thugs shoot up a place and commit robberies and then the police come along and shoot them, killing one of them -- the fact that the guy they shot happens to be black automatically makes him a victim of police brutality, hence "murdered". Then people like you can slap his picture on a banner and bleat about how violent the police are??? I'm not saying that there aren't some issues with policing, but in the end there has to be some sort of authority to stop people who can't resist acting on their own violent and criminal urges. Personally, I don't trust crime statistics, as crimes tend to be under-reported and under-prosecuted. Slight downward (or upward) trends in these statistics doesn't change the fact that the crime is still (frequently) occurring. So if in 2010 there were 100 murders in a city, and in 2011 there was a 5% decline, that still means that 95 murders occurred.

Also, you seem to fail to realize that your post could be interpreted to suggest that increased police "violence" results in lower crime rates. So maybe if we actually gave police the powers necessary to correctly deal with crime, crime rates would drop significantly more?
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Old 11-27-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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That is because everybody has their heads inside of a damn r-tard phone and do not care about privacy. To make things worst everybody has "wanna be syndrome" like no tommorow including me. Like the movie "They Live" for example. The police on the other hand are basically attacking everybody who is not "keeping busy". Like basically anybody they feel they can abuse; like the homeless, young people, and anybody who looks thinks it is 1965. Thanks to this war bs from 2001 everybody is too stupid to care. Thanks to anti-privacy nobody cares anymore because they attack that already.
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Yes and the prison system isn't doing us or them any favors in preparing these nonviolent offenders back into society. Unfortunately, they will usually come out much worse off than when they went in.
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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Yes and the prison system isn't doing us or them any favors in preparing these nonviolent offenders back into society. Unfortunately, they will usually come out much worse off than when they went in.
Hey, 40% of prisoners never go back after the first time. They've learned crime doesn't pay.
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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So basically if some thugs shoot up a place and commit robberies and then the police come along and shoot them, killing one of them -- the fact that the guy they shot happens to be black automatically makes him a victim of police brutality, hence "murdered". Then people like you can slap his picture on a banner and bleat about how violent the police are??? I'm not saying that there aren't some issues with policing, but in the end there has to be some sort of authority to stop people who can't resist acting on their own violent and criminal urges. Personally, I don't trust crime statistics, as crimes tend to be under-reported and under-prosecuted. Slight downward (or upward) trends in these statistics doesn't change the fact that the crime is still (frequently) occurring. So if in 2010 there were 100 murders in a city, and in 2011 there was a 5% decline, that still means that 95 murders occurred.

Also, you seem to fail to realize that your post could be interpreted to suggest that increased police "violence" results in lower crime rates. So maybe if we actually gave police the powers necessary to correctly deal with crime, crime rates would drop significantly more?


I seriously doubt that I could have said that better myself.
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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But you know what made New York nearly crime-free in the past few decades? "Broken window policing." The police land on you like a ton of bricks if you commit some tiny crime like vandalism or underage smoking, and you are a LOT less likely to try something really stupid like armed robbery which is likely to ,lead to a much uglier confrontation with the boys in blue.

It's the same as parenting. You establish authority early and often and the kids, or young offenders in this case, are not going to run wild later on.
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Hey, 40% of prisoners never go back after the first time. They've learned crime doesn't pay.
You have a point, but is 60% reoffending a good number? Here is an interesting link from the UK, where the aim is to break that problem and stop reoffence by more prisoner intervention.

60% of criminals on short prison terms will re-offend | UK | News | Daily Express
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