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Although this was written in 2001 so some information is outdated, it's nonetheless an interesting description of some of the people involved in this case.
Boulder Daily Camaera: Where key players are now
Thanks for sharing new info, wn; one more sex offender off the streets. DNA wont be a match...
to anyone...ever.
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Am I missing something? I am, quite frankly, stunned that this didn’t generate more discussion or interest at the time, or between now and then. I happened upon the Daily Camera article today by chance, and the information in it made me think there must have been a fair amount of discussion about it, so I searched on his last name. But one post and one response in JBRIII (above) is all I found.
Now, maybe this will turn out to be nothing but coincidence (and perhaps that’s why the Boulder PD are playing it very low-key, hoping to avoid another media circus that results in bupkis), but the number and nature of coincidences and other circumstantial evidence strikes me as amazing, to the point of being almost incredible. The article previously linked to by Wit-Nit doesn’t include all the details in the Daily Camera’s, so it’s not quite as compelling.
Read the articles, and this is what we have:
1) A convicted child molester believed to be in Boulder at the time of the murder, and known to frequent a (for want of a better term) homeless shelter only a few blocks from the Ramseys, and connected by an alley (proximity, opportunity, and the possibility that he met the Ramsey children in the alley, where they sometimes rode their bicycles, or watched them play in the backyard).
2) His conviction around 1990 was for sexually assaulting a seven-year-old girl, roughly the same age as JonBenét Ramsey (record of sexual interest in girls JB’s age, and of acting on it).
3) Oregon police reported that in1991, Oliva tried to strangle his mother with a telephone cord (history of violence, and specifically strangulation).
4) He was photographed in attendance at the candlelight vigil outside the former Ramsey home marking the one-year anniversary of the murder; and in a 2000 trespassing arrest (on the campus of UC Boulder), he was found to be carrying a photo of JB, and a copy of a poem he had composed entitled "Ode to JonBenét (Obsession with JonBenét)
5) In that 2000 trespassing arrest, he was charged with carrying a dangerous weapon after he was found to be carrying a stun gun. (No! Get out!)
6) He is reported to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, of which deluded thinking and auditory hallucinations are common. (which, if he was symptomatic at the time, would explain the weird, rambling ransom note, and other seemingly illogical actions; heck, he might have actually believed he was a member of a “small foreign faction”)
7) [my own addition] the alleyway is behind the backyard, where the nearest door is the butler door, which was reportedly found open by, I believe, Sgt. Whitson. From the Butler door, the path to the spiral staircase to JB's bedroom right at the top of the stairs is short and direct, the path back down to the kitchen is simple, where the notepad and pen could be found, the stairs down to the basement is just off the opposite end of the kitchen. The train room is reached pretty directly from the bottom of the stairs, and the wine cellar is a straight line south from the bottom of the stairs, through two doors. The necessary path of a potential intruder entering through the butler door, traversing all of the places physical evidence was found, is fairly short and direct, and requires only the most basic familiarity with the house one might get from a tour or a party or previous snooping when no one was around.
A transcript of the 2002 “48 Hours Investigates” i]can be found at jameson’s site (I haven’t found an actual video yet). 48 Hours 10_4_2002
When I read the Daily Camera article, a chill went down my spine. When I read the 48Hrs transcript--old high school friend of Oliva's tipped BPD soon after the murder with a LOT of disturbing information on Oliva, tells them he can provide a writing sample, but they did not follow up; Smit later follows up, finds all this info, names Oliva a strong suspect, still BPD does not follow up--I got angry. Maybe it's all just coincidence and he's nothing at all to do with it. But if the investigating that I'm sure BPD is quietly doing right now reveals Oliva to be the killer, it shows the murder could likely have been solved and Oliva off the street and the Ramseys cleared before that first anniversary candlelight vigil.
I'm just stunned by this. Is there something I'm missing?
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I saw this guy featured on the ID JBR doc. earlier this month. He's obviously insane (just like JMK), and there's no way he would have had the intelligence/expertise to break into the Ramsey house undetected & do what was done. He's similar to Helgoth and JMK - another dead-end.
However, if Boulder LE had any hard proof that this guy had committed the crime, he would have been charged for this & would have gone to prison; this guy wasn't loaded like the Ramsey's, and nothing would have kept him from going to jail - if they had even the slightest bit of evidence. The LE want to close this just as much as anyone - I'm sure it's a real embarrassment to them that this extremely high-profile crime remains unsolved after 20 years.
I saw this guy featured on the ID JBR doc. earlier this month. He's obviously insane (just like JMK), and there's no way he would have had the intelligence/expertise to break into the Ramsey house undetected & do what was done. He's similar to Helgoth and JMK - another dead-end.
However, if Boulder LE had any hard proof that this guy had committed the crime, he would have been charged for this & would have gone to prison; this guy wasn't loaded like the Ramsey's, and nothing would have kept him from going to jail - if they had even the slightest bit of evidence. The LE want to close this just as much as anyone - I'm sure it's a real embarrassment to them that this extremely high-profile crime remains unsolved after 20 years.
I'm very surprised they didn't just pin on it on someone. Especially as Karr wanted to be the murder.
I saw this guy featured on the ID JBR doc. earlier this month. He's obviously insane (just like JMK), and there's no way he would have had the intelligence/expertise to break into the Ramsey house undetected & do what was done. He's similar to Helgoth and JMK - another dead-end.
You seem to misunderstand the nature of schizophrenia and the concept of "insanity." Leaving aside three people I have known closely with Schizophrenia (all of whom I'm sure could beat either one of us in a game of chess, and two of them did beat me), I'll mention John Nash, upon whom the film "A Beautiful Mind" is based and who won the Nobel Prize in mathematics, battled schizophrenia all of his adult life, and was often delusional, hallucinatory, and what you call "insane" yet was much of the time capable of working, teaching and researching the most complex mathematical problems imaginable. The JonBenét Ramsey murder did not require rocket science.
I'm not saying Oliva is any John Nash, but being crazy doesn't make you stupid. And anyway, he didn't need to break in, the Ramseys often left their doors unlocked, they weren't worried about security in that neighborhood in Boulder.
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, if Boulder LE had any hard proof that this guy had committed the crime, he would have been charged for this & would have gone to prison; this guy wasn't loaded like the Ramsey's, and nothing would have kept him from going to jail - if they had even the slightest bit of evidence. The LE want to close this just as much as anyone - I'm sure it's a real embarrassment to them that this extremely high-profile crime remains unsolved after 20 years.
That is a tautology. Boulder LE wouldn't have any proof against him if they never seriously followed the lead. How can you have such faith in the BPD in 1996 or 2002 to thoroughly pursue non-RDI leads, based on what we already know? They were too busy trying to prove the Ramseys bought duct tape.
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You seem to misunderstand the nature of schizophrenia and the concept of "insanity." Leaving aside three people I have known closely with Schizophrenia (all of whom I'm sure could beat either one of us in a game of chess, and two of them did beat me), I'll mention John Nash, upon whom the film "A Beautiful Mind" is based and who won the Nobel Prize in mathematics, battled schizophrenia all of his adult life, and was often delusional, hallucinatory, and what you call "insane" yet was much of the time capable of working, teaching and researching the most complex mathematical problems imaginable. The JonBenét Ramsey murder did not require rocket science.
I'm not saying Oliva is any John Nash, but being crazy doesn't make you stupid. And anyway, he didn't need to break in, the Ramseys often left their doors unlocked, they weren't worried about security in that neighborhood in Boulder.
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That is a tautology. Boulder LE wouldn't have any proof against him if they never seriously followed the lead. How can you have such faith in the BPD in 1996 or 2002 to thoroughly pursue non-RDI leads, based on what we already know? They were too busy trying to prove the Ramseys bought duct tape.
I'm very familiar with the film "A Beautiful Mind" - I saw it in the theater when it came out.
And, you're absolutely right - Oliva WAS no John Nash. I live & work in a large metropolitan area - and, on a regular basis, am witness to mentally ill people who are walking the streets screaming/ranting and raving, threatening people randomly, talking to themselves, etc. Based on the profile of Oliva in the doc., it seems like he was more along these lines than someone who would be capable of breaking into a house undetected & staying there for hours, taking JBR from her room without anyone in the family hearing (and I don't believe the stun gun theory - that was a load of crap), writing the long ransom note, and leaving the house undetected.
BTW, I don't think JMK was capable of this crime, either - I saw him being interviewed on the ID doc., and he was quite obviously insane & delusional as well. They shouldn't have even given him the attention they did in that doc. - what a low-life.
I never read that the Ramsey's stated they left their doors unlocked on Christmas Day, 1996. If that were true, why hasn't this been brought up as a possible reason that someone could have entered their house undetected when they were away?!
I would be extremely surprised if the Boulder LE didn't pursue the Oliva "lead" if they really thought he was a viable suspect.
I'm very familiar with the film "A Beautiful Mind" - I saw it in the theater when it came out.
And, you're absolutely right - Oliva WAS no John Nash. I live & work in a large metropolitan area - and, on a regular basis, am witness to mentally ill people who are walking the streets screaming/ranting and raving, threatening people randomly, talking to themselves, etc. Based on the profile of Oliva in the doc., it seems like he was more along these lines than someone who would be capable of breaking into a house undetected & staying there for hours, taking JBR from her room without anyone in the family hearing (and I don't believe the stun gun theory - that was a load of crap), writing the long ransom note, and leaving the house undetected.
Guessing is certainly easier than doing research, but I think it's kind of rude to offer knee-jerk guesswork as a response to serious questions. How about this?
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Gary Oliva just spent a week at the Gospel Mission here in Medford Oregon. He said that he wanted to go and find his father's family in Rome, Italy. I know this becuase he shared a bunk with me in the men's dorm. I shared my encouragment and prayers with him. He told me that he was in trouble with the law in Oregon but prefered to live in the Denver area because he knew peolpe there who would 'leave hime alone'. His hair was very long and he had a huge mustache about 6-7 inched long. After he checked out I was amazed to find out that he was a suspect in the Ramsey case. You never know who you are talking to these days. Heads up! I have no idea but I do believe that he is in the Grants Pass area of Oregon seeking a place to live. He is still a homeless drifter and is more than likely not going to leave the state before he does his time here...or he may try to leave the country to find solice with his distant family in Italy. Be aware. That's what I know. scooterboost63@yahoo.com
hXXp://toXXx/cp,/news/jonbenet-ramsey/T2UBCCKUQ7GOQGHQQ (URL is blocked, but replace initialcaptial X's with the obvious) A poster who appears to be a totally functional, rational, competent and reasonably intelligent adult shared a room with Oliva for a week, and did not seem to think him particularly out of the ordinary at all during the time they interacted. If Patsy or John could manage the crime as it was committed, why couldn't Oliva have?
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BTW, I don't think JMK was capable of this crime, either - I saw him being interviewed on the ID doc., and he was quite obviously insane & delusional as well. They shouldn't have even given him the attention they did in that doc. - what a low-life.
I have never mentioned and am not talking about JMK. We're talking about Oliva.
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I never read that the Ramsey's stated they left their doors unlocked on Christmas Day, 1996. If that were true, why hasn't this been brought up as a possible reason that someone could have entered their house undetected when they were away?!
The Ramseys didn't say that. What they said was they didn't worry about security because they felt safe, that instead of finding a way to modify their alarm system not to go off falsely so often, they just stopped using it. No, it is in the reports of the Boulder Police that it is established at least one door (the butler door) and at least three first-floor windows (where extension cords went out to exterior decorations) were unlocked/open the night/morning of the murder. The fact that the Ramseys had a clear record of being rather cavalier about security just adds to the observations of individual officers on the scene that day of several unsecured paths of entry, leads to the obvious conclusion that the notion that John Ramsey ever checked all the windows and doors that night, or ever said that he did, is most likely a fabrication/exaggeration/strategic leak of BPD, like many others clearly documented.
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I would be extremely surprised if the Boulder LE didn't pursue the Oliva "lead" if they really thought he was a viable suspect.
To be completely up front, I have found that apparently it is true Oliva's DNA was tested and not a match to the samples from the scene. But I am not entirely sold on the idea of the touch DNA being reliable to indicate anything (especially if JBR's DNA is mixed in with someone else's in a sample, it's like trying to distinguish two glasses that shatter in the same sink, from what I understand), but at the very least, for those who say the lack of Ramsey DNA doesn't rule them out, then the lack of Oliva DNA doesn't rule him out, either. I freely admit that despite the DNA evidence, I'm not 100% convinced that one or more of the Ramseys didn't do it, although I also think the preponderance of evidence points away from them. I wish more in the RDI camp would have the same degree of open-mindedness.
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seems like he was more along these lines than someone who would be capable of breaking into a house undetected & staying there for hours, taking JBR from her room without anyone in the family hearing (and I don't believe the stun gun theory - that was a load of crap), writing the long ransom note, and leaving the house undetected.
It's quite likely that they didn't break in. Undetected for hours when no one is home? Not that difficult. They obviously wrote the RN during the hours that the family was away. Taking her from her bed? Something subdued her. (If these were real professionals, they would have brought chlorophyll.) Leaving the house undetected? Once they realized she was dead and they couldn't remove her body, they probably ran out a door.
I never read that the Ramsey's stated they left their doors unlocked on Christmas Day, 1996. If that were true, why hasn't this been brought up as a possible reason that someone could have entered their house undetected when they were away?!
It has been brought up. Multiple posts here on the deposition of JR, in which he stated that whoever transcribed what he said about checking locked doors made some errors. Also, some facts were apparently not disclosed until well after the crime occurred. And the butler's door being open is not something that anyone knew about even a few years ago.
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I would be extremely surprised if the Boulder LE didn't pursue the Oliva "lead" if they really thought he was a viable suspect.
According to what jameson posted on one of these threads, there were many leads given to the BPD that were not pursued.
This case highlights what's wrong with America: whites rich family looks good on the outside, killed own 6-year-old child so brutally and has to cover it up by writing an absurd ransom note claiming a foreign terrorist group did it -- everything happened in that house and never left the house. Only a housewife can do something like this.
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