Logo signs on Tucson area freeways - will the local NIMBYs protest? (Phoenix: 2014, neighborhood)

[Pink Jazz]

For those who don't know what I am talking about, logo signs are the big blue signs with individual logos of restaurants, gas stations, hotels, campgrounds, and attractions.

Over the past three years, ADOT subsidiary Grand Canyon State Logo Signs have been installing these signs in the Phoenix area after so many years of being restricted to rural areas. Now starting next month, it appears the first logo signs in the Tucson area will be installed, initially on I-10. I-19 is planned for the future.

I wonder what will be the reception of these signs in Tucson. Most people in Phoenix seem to support them, however, considering Tucson's more NIMBY-ish attitude, I wonder if Tucson residents will complain about sign clutter.

[jlawrence01]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Over the past three years, ADOT subsidiary Grand Canyon State Logo Signs have been installing these signs in the Phoenix area after so many years of being restricted to rural areas. Now starting next month, it appears the first logo signs in the Tucson area will be installed, initially on I-10. I-19 is planned for the future.

There are currently logo signs on I-19 at nearly every exit from the Pima Mine Road exit on the reservation to Nogales.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by jlawrence01

There are currently logo signs on I-19 at nearly every exit from the Pima Mine Road exit on the reservation to Nogales.

That area is considered rural by ADOT, thus they have been installed for years there. Parts of the Phoenix area (specifically I-10 from Dysart westward, I-10 east of the Loop 202 SanTan interchange, I-17 north of the Loop 303 interchange, and US 60 east of the SuperRedTan interchange) had them for years as well as they were also considered rural by ADOT, although these areas will eventually fall under the scope of the urban logo sign program, which uses a different pricing structure from the rural program.

Currently, in the Tucson area they have not yet been installed on I-10 from Tangerine Road in Marana to Wilmont Road in southeastern Tucson, nor on any exit on I-19 north of Pima Mine Road. Installation on I-10 from Tangerine to 22nd Street will start next month, followed by I-10 from 6th Avenue to Wilmont in April.

[beTucsonan]

No ill-will intended, Pink Jazz, however I can't help but observe that each post I see from you goes out of it's way to mention the attitude of Tucsonans as regards anything infrastructure related. Have we done something to offend you up there in Gilbert?

I also believe this is a retread of a similar post from the past ... in fact, I'm sure of it: Logo signs on Tucson area freeways - will the local NIMBYs protest?

Fishing?

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by beTucsonan

No ill-will intended, Pink Jazz, however I can't help but observe that each post I see from you goes out of it's way to mention the attitude of Tucsonans as regards anything infrastructure related. Have we done something to offend you up there in Gilbert?

I also believe this is a retread of a similar post from the past ... in fact, I'm sure of it: Logo signs on Tucson area freeways - will the local NIMBYs protest?

Fishing?

Well, Tucson residents always vote down road improvements, as proven by every election involving roads. While little to no taxpayer money goes towards logo signs since they are a revenue generator, I would think there will probably be more opposition in Tucson than there is in Phoenix. It even remains a mystery whether or not the City of Tucson will allow trailblazer logo signs for businesses that are located on a cross street or are not clearly visible from the main road. Since trailblazer signs would need to be installed on city streets, it requires local approval.

Also, nationwide, there also seems to a political divide on whether or not to allow logo signs in urban areas. The states that continue to maintain the restriction of logo signs only to rural areas are largely more liberal, while most of the states that allow them in urban areas are more conservative or are swing states. California (probably the most liberal state in America) has a ridiculous policy that prohibits logo signs in any city with a population of 5000 or greater (hardly urban at all to most people).

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Well, Tucson residents always vote down road improvements, as proven by every election involving roads.

Actually, on May 16th, 2006, the voters of Pima County, including myself, voted for a sales tax increase to fund $2.1 Billion in transportation improvements over a 20-year span, which includes many projects within the city limits of Tucson.

RTA Plan

While very few Pima County road referendums do pass, they don't always get voted down, case in point, May 16th, 2006!

It's sort of interesting and ironic, don't you think, with the perception that Tucson/Pima County as being quite liberal, yet every single Pima County referendum was voted down last November. I always thought liberals love to vote for tax increases to fund, you name the project.

[jlawrence01]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Well, Tucson residents always vote down road improvements, as proven by every election involving roads.

When funds are diverted from road maintenance to build soccer fields, what do you expect? Most Pima Co. taxpayers have no confidence that funds that they approve will ever reach the projects that they were intended for.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

It's sort of interesting and ironic, don't you think, with the perception that Tucson/Pima County as being quite liberal, yet every single Pima County referendum was voted down last November. I always thought liberals love to vote for tax increases to fund, you name the project.

Actually, highways are usually favored more by conservatives than liberals.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Actually, highways are usually favored more by conservatives than liberals.

If I'm not mistaken, only one out of the seven referendums in November dealt with road improvements, and all were defeated including ones dealing with Libraries, Parks and Rec, Tourism, Public Health, Safety, Natural Area Conservation, Historic Preservation, and Flood Control/Drainage.

[JGMotorsport64]

Revenue generator for who Pink Jazz? The rocky relationship Tucson has with the State may limit its willingness to put money into a sign to generate revenue appropriated to deal urban freeways (of which Phoenix has an overwhelming share of).

Especially if you consider that every single Gubnatorial candidate make HURF Sweeps their campaign topic in Tucson but neglected it in Maricopa County.

The problem with the last Bond Election was that Pima Co. Already has outrageous property taxes and they were funded through property tax hikes. Pima already has the highest in the state as it is. And it certainly doesn't show.