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Old 11-12-2007, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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What's the difference? I see you're a big-time expert on these creatures!
Its complicated. Those in the hobby of keeping venomous creatures (as I do) will be the first to correct people on the difference between venomous and poisonous, even if the difference is not easily distinguished to those outside the hobby. Venomous creatures have to inject their venom subcutaneously (into the skin), whether it be via fang, stinger, etc. Poisonous creatures dont have to inject anything, they secrete it into your skin even by simple touch (think poisonous dart frogs). Now if you were to drip snake venom onto your skin, its not going to affect you (unless it gets into a cut), whereas a poisonous creature can make you sick by you simply coming into contact with it. Make sense? haha Its tough to describe, I know, Im doing the best I can.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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Its complicated. Those in the hobby of keeping venomous creatures (as I do) will be the first to correct people on the difference between venomous and poisonous, even if the difference is not easily distinguished to those outside the hobby. Venomous creatures have to inject their venom subcutaneously (into the skin), whether it be via fang, stinger, etc. Poisonous creatures dont have to inject anything, they secrete it into your skin even by simple touch (think poisonous dart frogs). Now if you were to drip snake venom onto your skin, its not going to affect you (unless it gets into a cut), whereas a poisonous creature can make you sick by you simply coming into contact with it. Make sense? haha Its tough to describe, I know, Im doing the best I can.
Yeah, it makes sense, even though the result is the same... Thanks for explaining it.
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I've lived in Tucson for seven years now, all on the east side very close to Saguaro N.P. East. I have seen ONE scorpion outside, two tarantulas outside, one wolf spider inside and several outside, no rattlesnakes, but a whole lot of Desert Recluse spiders (I had them identified by someone at the Desert Museum). My husband grew up here and only saw one scorpion and a gila monster. And yes, we do go outside .

No one needs to be scared to come live here. It's ridiculous. I'm as scorpion-phobic as the next person, but I live here with my child, cat, and husband and none of us are dead or poisoned yet. We might even have some inside we don't know about, but just check your shoes and bedding, don't leave clothes on the floor, try to keep your house picked up to make fewer places to hide (vacuum under furniture too), and you'll be fine.

I really think infestations vary from house to house. We had a ton of recluses in our last house, for example, but neither neighbor had any (and they knew what they looked like). In Austin, Texas, all of our neighbors had trouble with multitudes of bark scorpions in their houses, falling out of light receptacles and other scary things, and we had none. We did have cats, but so did all of our neighbors. Who knows why they had them and we didn't?

Just try to relax and come on out to Tucson. The weather's fine and it's a great place to live. We may have to leave in a couple of years and I'm rather sad about it.

Dawn
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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No one needs to be scared to come live here. It's ridiculous.
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all of our neighbors had trouble with multitudes of bark scorpions in their houses, falling out of light receptacles and other scary things
First you say it riduculous to be scared, then you go into detail on what just might be the ultimate nightmare for most folks. lol
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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First you say it riduculous to be scared, then you go into detail on what just might be the ultimate nightmare for most folks. lol
Yeah, but that happened in Austin, Texas. They should only be afraid to live there, not Tucson .

I see your point, though...LOL!

Dawn
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:50 PM
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Location: Pagosa Springs, CO/North Port,FL
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I lived in Tucson (Marana) for 4 months last summer-I found a dead scorpion in the tub of my corporate apt, I saw one rattlesnake at the local ball field (there were multiple warning signs about these, and a Gila monster at the mine site-which was way cool.

The worst critters I thought were the yellow jackets/hornets-not sure what they were. But I got chased for 100 yards or so and was stung after accidentially disturbing their nest-very unrelenting
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Carlsbad
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Forgot I'd posted here. As I mentioned earlier, I live in Marana now, off of Tangerine Road against the Tortolitas. What we have had issues with here are tarantula hawks; massive wasps from hell.
I was stuck in a very small "loading cabin" in California about to get on a roller coaster ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain when one of these flew in. It landed on the ceiling and proceded to swoop down at the crowd of people in the room. I put my sweatshirt on despite the 100 degree weather and pulled the hoodie over my head. I had no clue what it was (the steroid wasp from hell was my only thought) it was HUGE! I have an irrational fear of bees and wasps as it is. I have never been so scared. I've seen them in Havasu too- thought they were hummingbirds at first. Unfortunately I live quite close to the Tangerine exit. : ( I really hope I don't run into one this summer.

While we're on the subject of critters though....so last week I leave work and walk right into a huge swarm of bees. Didn't get stung...but was pretty freaked out.

Scorpions-fine. Snakes- no problem. Spiders- not a big deal. Bees and Wasps- Scariest things EVER.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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I have resided in Arizona for 60 years. When I was a kid we did
encounter scorpions in the house on a rare occasion. I have seen black widows and occasionally a trantuala (albiet crossing the street). You hear in the news once in a while that a mountain lion or javelina transgress into someones yard. Yes we do live
in the desert and should be aware and careful of the population
before us.
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Southern AZ
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Sorpions really shouldn't scare you these should though.....These babies were found near Oracle AZ by the mines.
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Old 09-03-2009, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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Trying to step on a rattlesnake is just mean and flat out stupid. Thats how 95% of people get bitten.

I am an avid amateur arachnologist, so Ill try and explain in a short amount of time.

Arizona is home to more than 40 species of scorpions, only one of those species is potentially lethal, and that is the Arizona bark scorpion (Centruroides exilicauda). Unfortunately, theyre the most common and are also arboreal (climbers), so there is really nowhere they cant hide. AZ is also home to the largest scorpion in North America, the Arizona desert hairy scorpion (Hadrurus arizonensis). Large and menacing looking indeed, but harmless as a bee (unless youre allergic to bee stings). It is very important to remember that scorpions and spiders are very beneficial to keeping insect popultaions under control. Not only do they eat lots of other pests, but one of thier favorite meals is a disease-spreading cockroach. Stings from most scorpions are nothing more than localized pain and slight swelling. The AZ bark scorpion has killed quite a few folks, but after ASU's anti-venom program was started, deaths have not occurred. However, the lady in charge of the AV program has since retired and the state has only a 3 year supply as of now, and is working with the USDA in securing some more AV, this time from a Mexican firm. Without AV, the death rate would rise substantially. In fact, last time I was in AZ, I picked up a Desert Advocate newspaper, and a 4 year old from Tramanto (sp?) almost died from a bark scorpion sting. Theyre no joke and should be taken seriously. Elderly and infants are most at risk for dying due to anaphlyaxis.

***Also in AZ are 40 species of rattlesnakes, the most common is the large Crotalus atrox (western diamondback). Western black widows (Latrodectus mactans) also call the state home as do tarantulas (harmless, but big). ***

If you have any more questions and would like to see some pics of mine that can illustrate these critters a bit more, let me know and I will help. Please dont rush to kill these critters. The more research you do, the more youll realize how truly incredible they are. Just 3 years ago I was an arachnophobe, 100%. Now look at me! I own tarantulas, scorpions, snakes and giant centipedes as pets. Theyre very captivating and undeserving of their bad reps.
>>>>>ATTN: STEVE-O<<<<<

According to the web site: Arizona Game and Fish Department: azgfd.gov ----- "there are exactly 13 species of Rattlesnakes in AZ", not 40!
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