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Old 08-12-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Hey, why don't we build a dam at both ends of town, collect rainwater in the riverbeds, put in fish, etc.? Seems to me its very retarded to have these empty riverbeds, when they could be filled with water. Develope the riverfronts even further with waterfront walks, shops, trees, wild-life, etc.
One of the considerations that was shelved back in the 90's was the idea of using the open space at the base of A Mountain to store the CAP water, instead of putting it out at the Haden Udall Plant in the middle of the desert. The idea at the time was that you would have a major water feature downtown (basically a lake) and have the added environmental benefit of A Mountain providing shade for almost half the day and subsequently reducing evaporation. Unused water could have been put into the dry riverbeds creating additional water features and habitat for wildlife. This would have been a great asset for downtown and they were going to build the reservoir anyway, so the cost difference was minimal.

The City wasn't supportive at all of this plan and instead opted to build that plant out in the middle of nowhere with a huge open water basin that just sits there behind a fence. It's currently over 330 acres of water reservoirs that could have been downtown for the same price.

 
Old 08-12-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: West side
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One of the considerations that was shelved back in the 90's was the idea of using the open space at the base of A Mountain to store the CAP water, instead of putting it out at the Haden Udall Plant in the middle of the desert. The idea at the time was that you would have a major water feature downtown (basically a lake) and have the added environmental benefit of A Mountain providing shade for almost half the day and subsequently reducing evaporation. Unused water could have been put into the dry riverbeds creating additional water features and habitat for wildlife. This would have been a great asset for downtown and they were going to build the reservoir anyway, so the cost difference was minimal.

The City wasn't supportive at all of this plan and instead opted to build that plant out in the middle of nowhere with a huge open water basin that just sits there behind a fence. It's currently over 330 acres of water reservoirs that could have been downtown for the same price.


OMG! Instead, now we have 2 gigantic holes with two skinny coyotes living in them. Assuming you are talking about the area South of Congress.
This is unreal! The city leadership needs to pickup the paste othervise Tucson alway will remain the dry cracked soul of the desert without much life in it.
 
Old 08-12-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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OMG! Instead, now we have 2 gigantic holes with two skinny coyotes living in them. Assuming you are talking about the area South of Congress.
This is unreal! The city leadership needs to pickup the paste othervise Tucson alway will remain the dry cracked soul of the desert without much life in it.

Indeed. It's kind of hard to believe that they passed on a 330 acre lake in the heart of downtown that was being built with mostly federal money, but they did. Instead we have a large reserviour halfway to Ajo that most people in Tucson don't even know about. And even if they did know, it's surrounded by a fence.
 
Old 08-12-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Tucson, Az
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One of the considerations that was shelved back in the 90's was the idea of using the open space at the base of A Mountain to store the CAP water, instead of putting it out at the Haden Udall Plant in the middle of the desert. The idea at the time was that you would have a major water feature downtown (basically a lake) and have the added environmental benefit of A Mountain providing shade for almost half the day and subsequently reducing evaporation. Unused water could have been put into the dry riverbeds creating additional water features and habitat for wildlife. This would have been a great asset for downtown and they were going to build the reservoir anyway, so the cost difference was minimal.

The City wasn't supportive at all of this plan and instead opted to build that plant out in the middle of nowhere with a huge open water basin that just sits there behind a fence. It's currently over 330 acres of water reservoirs that could have been downtown for the same price.
That's because Tucson's local government is awesome! Change will come soon.
 
Old 08-12-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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Change will come soon.
I've heard that quote repeatedly, in the 70's ... 80's ... 90's. There's been change alright.
 
Old 08-12-2009, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Red Rock, Arizona
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Here's a story y'all might find interesting. A few years back there was some talk about turning the old quarry at the base of "A" Mountain into an artists community.

Old quarry may be site of artists' colony | www.azstarnet.com ® (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/37315.php - broken link)

I like the idea of doing something creative with some of the old quarrys along the Santa Cruz. The Pines Golf Course is a great example of what can be done.

Golf Tucson, Arizona - The Pines Golf Club at Marana - Tucson Public Golf
 
Old 08-12-2009, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Tucson, Az
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I've heard that quote repeatedly, in the 70's ... 80's ... 90's. There's been change alright.
I wasn't around in the 70's, 80's, or old enough to start change in the 90's. Now I will start it and I know the talent to do it. I'm sure you had fun watching people fail after saying that but it will not happen anymore. You'll never meet anyone else like me.

Cheers
 
Old 08-13-2009, 02:44 AM
 
Location: 602/520
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Here's a story y'all might find interesting. A few years back there was some talk about turning the old quarry at the base of "A" Mountain into an artists community.

Old quarry may be site of artists' colony | www.azstarnet.com ® (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/37315.php - broken link)

I like the idea of doing something creative with some of the old quarrys along the Santa Cruz. The Pines Golf Course is a great example of what can be done.

Golf Tucson, Arizona - The Pines Golf Club at Marana - Tucson Public Golf
There's a lot of talk in this town. Very little of it materializes.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it's the truth.

Here's the latest story of the incompetence of city leaders and how it could significantly delay the start of the modern streetcar:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/304184 (broken link)

Here's a story about an underpass linking 4th Avenue to DT Tucson that took two years to redesign that has an additional cost of $15 million which city council failed to reveal to taxpayers:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/304186 (broken link)

Why do residents keep voting these council members in?
 
Old 08-13-2009, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Az
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There's a lot of talk in this town. Very little of it materializes.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it's the truth.

Here's the latest story of the incompetence of city leaders and how it could significantly delay the start of the modern streetcar:

Costs soar for bridge's 4th redesign | www.azstarnet.com ® (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/304184 - broken link)

Here's a story about an underpass linking 4th Avenue to DT Tucson that took two years to redesign that has an additional cost of $15 million which city council failed to reveal to taxpayers:

4th Ave. Underpass rises to $46M | www.azstarnet.com ® (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/304186 - broken link)

Why do residents keep voting these council members in?
I would say it's always the same group that votes and there are no new people voting when the time comes (voting stats would help greatly on this subject). I could be completely wrong but that seems like the most plausible reason. Again. This will be changed.

Tucson better watch out.

Last edited by StockholmGTR; 08-13-2009 at 03:05 AM.. Reason: Misspelled a word.
 
Old 08-13-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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I wasn't around in the 70's, 80's, or old enough to start change in the 90's. Now I will start it and I know the talent to do it. I'm sure you had fun watching people fail after saying that but it will not happen anymore. You'll never meet anyone else like me.
Whatever you got to tell yourself. Good luck.
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